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Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by oaiey »

drnick1 wrote: post #54
mawadev wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is impressumspflicht, you have to add your full contact address plus name to a website you host, inviting all sorts of trolls on the internet to ruin your life. No thanks.

You can register domain names anonymously. Sure, you will be asked for contact details (WHOIS), but no one verifies them.

You can be suite in some European countries if you have a web page without an impressum and latest your domain registration will have your credit card to track you. Obviously, not all cases can be traced back.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by oaiey »

jstummbillig wrote: post #19

Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

The key part of European projects is not their quality or greatness. They do not think big.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by vidarh »

wbl wrote: post #38
moffkalast wrote: post #28

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Doesn't work. As soon as something great appears, US VCs immediately buy it and move it to the bay area. A fair few of the products you think are US grown probably aren't. If not, a competitor appears that is less constrained by regulations and can move faster, taking over most of the market instead.

US companies obey EU law when working in the EU. And there is a reason VC does not exist in Europe namely capital markets being divided.

Having spent years working for a VC and having raised rounds from VC's in Europe multiple times over the last 26 years, that it doesn't exist is news to me.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by simianwords »

fp64 wrote: post #65
simianwords wrote: post #5

Europe should make a dating app. Here’s why: monetising dating apps is really hard and companies don’t seem to be doing well with it. Having a competitor here to bumble or hinge that is free and doesn’t care about short term monetisation would be a good thing.

Why do you think a government should compete on a market segment? I find it slightly irritating. Let me get a cup of the good EU coffee! I like the "privacy" blend the most! Now let me turn on my EU computer and log-in with my EU id Check my messages on EU social media and then I have to leave for work Oh that's a cute girl that messaged me on EU dating I hope she also likes privacy and democracy Now into my EU car,…

What do you rather prefer, guy

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by bluegatty »

jstummbillig wrote: post #19

Here is an idea for a EU product: Build something that is great, and make it so good, that everyone, including US citizens, will want to use it. Your ethics can still be great, but don't make me feel like your product won't be. If you have to market "Europe" or privacy it probably won't be.

Totally valid point - but there are a lot of other strategic consideration.

Especially with 'Social' there are network externalizations like 'critical mass' - that actually compounds across a lot of things.

No European country given size and language is going to be able to create something that resonates as well as the American variation beyond the critical mass needed, at least naturally.

If 'French Facebook' started at one of the 'Grande Ecoles' it would have grown much more slowly, and maybe never moved out of being French centric and therefore not gone beyond borders.

Without the 'momentum' that doesn't attract investors, doesn't make employees want to work 'late nights for the big IPO payoff' etc..

And there are so many other related conventions, such as capitol markets, public markets, so many issues.

So - in order to overcome those limitations there may have to be a lot of strategic thinking and manoeuvring.

Given that Europe took 4 years to adjust to a nation literally invading it ... well ... I wouldn't hold my breath.

There are some winning opportunities: government procurement is powerful but Euros are afraid to negotiate hard with MS Goog etc..

There's a lot of money involved, forcing issues on privacy is entirely possible.

Same for local content, some degree of decentralization.

Requiring government actors to use 'Euro Mastadon' or whatever - it means school, students, parents come abard and then you have 'critical mass'.

Requiring 'open doc format' means you can break the MS Office monopoly.

Requiring 'Linux First' on every IT procurement decision - or even 'Open Soruce First' so local city council must give an excuse for why they are not using 'Approved Euro-Linux Variations' etc..

Lots of things.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by rndm77be9f »

benrutter wrote: post #67
keiferski wrote: post #30

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Yeah, basically no successful American social media company advertises itself as being American. And its users do not think of it as "an American company," they just think of it as its own thing.

That might be true for social media, but there are 100s of American brands that make a large point of being thought of as an "American company" or "American made" goods.

Does the average non-HN type in Europe hold comparable pan-European or even plain National Pride? I think here of the German national relationship with their own flag and feel skeptical of a comparison here.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by davedigerati »

rayiner wrote: post #52
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #49

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Depending on how hardcore enforcement of the upcoming Cybersecurity Resilience Act is, that might(?) push EU products very slightly towards this luxury pricing power on the margin. But on the whole I think you're dreaming, Ray. I can't imagine a single case of a successful luxury software product. (Apple is premium mediocre at best, doesn't count.)

You’re probably right i’m just thinking out loud. It is interesting that software has resisted quality-based segmentation, something that exists in almost every other type of product.

very interesting thought experiment here. I wonder how much it would take in a monthly subscription to offset the money they make in ads? picturing an Instagram without drivel and the crap and the manipulative behavior, that I would pay for simply to escape for 15 minutes. Curate the good content, heck create AI content I don't care I'm there to just mentally check out for a bit. Time lock it based on my prefs so that it respects me as a human being, doesn't try to feed off of me as a data source and I'll pay for that. I agree with you why is no one doing this? I can hear an argument about economies of scale, that it's just not worth the hassle, big guys too entrenched, but isn't that what we're all here to do... create new ways to disrupt?!?

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by vovavili »

vidarh wrote: post #73
wbl wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US companies obey EU law when working in the EU. And there is a reason VC does not exist in Europe namely capital markets being divided.

Having spent years working for a VC and having raised rounds from VC's in Europe multiple times over the last 26 years, that it doesn't exist is news to me.

I am not aware of anything on the level of YCombinator or Sequoia Capital over here in Europe.

Re: The European Social Stack

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Post by tough »

oaiey wrote: post #71
drnick1 wrote: post #54

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You can register domain names anonymously. Sure, you will be asked for contact details (WHOIS), but no one verifies them.

You can be suite in some European countries if you have a web page without an impressum and latest your domain registration will have your credit card to track you. Obviously, not all cases can be traced back.

https://njal.la/ or other providers will take your crypto too
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