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Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by singingtoday »

jm4 wrote: post #41
asdff wrote: post #35

What is the final defense? I suppose we create underground relay networks of radio networks within cities that allow for computers to connect directly to eachother, and from there we seed all our pirated content and discuss whatever the hell we'd like. Maybe we'd have to contend with low bandwidth when we connect outside our own city network, using larger wavelength radio to bounce off the ionosphere across the plane…

You would be breaking numerous laws, your transmitters would be removed quickly, you would be out thousands of dollars in equipment, and no one would be on your network anyway. You would almost certainly go to jail if you tried this.

Have you ever actually read all the laws? It's functionally impossible to survive without breaking laws.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by singingtoday »

nodrog3000 wrote: post #32

Simple solution, Use your router to block whatever you need to, control your kids devices, the internet stays free and open. What are we talking about? There are no laws that will turn out well.

The entire point is to gain control over internet traffic. Your suggestion doesn't work because it requires people to implement it themselves and since you can't control all people, you can't control how they're going to implement it.

The title "for the children" is tongue-in-cheek. It's not serious.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

AngryData wrote: post #22
Aurornis wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO granting children access to the internet is no different than handing a child a loaded gun with no safety. The hyperbole is getting a little out of control. > - allow anyone under the age of 18 (or ##) to operate a device connected to the internet I don't understand how anyone can think that keeping kids entirely away from internet-connected devices through age 17 is possible or a good idea. These aren't seriou…

To be fair with the way politicians are treating the internet and social media, it is the equivalent of giving them a loaded gun. Because otherwise how can they justify these laws? Politicians are the ones claiming kids are being irrevocably harmed by the internet.

The internet as a whole is not a loaded gun, just social media and adult content. Wikipedia, educational sites, school websites and such are fine.

Giving a kid Instagram and tiktok is like handing them over to a junkie on the street to try meth.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

Bender wrote: post #69
Gigachad wrote: post #67

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Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

They need to be informed there are options that do not involve giving their information and their children's information to shady vendors.

Are there? Because we have had the last 15 years to see it isn’t working. Theres also the issue of peer pressure, it’s incredibly hard for one parent to say no to social media when every other kid has it and all the parties are arranged on Facebook. Right now telling your child they can’t have social media is crippling their ability to have a normal social life.

Banning it outright means parents have a strong foundation of “no you can’t have it, it’s illegal” and all of their peers will instead organise on private messaging apps instead.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

post-it wrote: post #57
econ wrote: post #45

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Create a government from scratch. Version control the laws. Compare the laws with all other countries. Hoard data. Write code to replace government employees and to make laws easy to implement. (If done well consider selling a product or service) Make everything modular so that the establishment can steal it. Get people involved. Doesn't matter if you need to write a sim and convince them it is a game. Pretend the wh…

I'm not sure you can code your way into having a monopoly on violence.

That was the obvious issue with all the blockchain smart contract stuff that was getting pushed previously. Any time it interacts with the physical world the blockchain goes out the window the moment on someone on the ground decides they don’t agree with it. Your cryptographically signed deed means nothing and can’t evict someone off the land.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by AngryData »

Bender wrote: post #53
AngryData wrote: post #23

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Oh no, children seeing naked people and sex! How horrible! Now lets bring them all to the family friendly farm where they can watch a horse with a monster dong screw his way through a herd of mares.

In an interesting way this is a good example. It is indeed up to parents on a ranch to decide when their children are ready to see animals mate. It's another matter all together to decide when the small children or teens are ready to see humans mate. Either way that needs to be up to the parent or legal guardian. That is already their job.

You think ranch owners are hiding their farm practices from their children? Nah I don't believe that for one second. Ive watched 10 year olds of the most prudish family I ever known holding piglets so their dad can castrate them. Hell 20 year old Amish people can't even hold hands but will have kids help artificially inseminate cows.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by paytonjjones »

Bender wrote: post #69
Gigachad wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents are the main ones begging for this change. They are losing the war against Zuckerberg

They need to be informed there are options that do not involve giving their information and their children's information to shady vendors.

It's a collective action problem.

The psychological impacts come from secondary network effects. The studies suggest that taking social media away from just your kid doesn't do anything, because the culture wherever they go will still be driven by it.

So the only way I can protect my kids from it is to pass laws to force other parents' hands.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Gigachad »

ikrenji wrote: post #12
nonethewiser wrote: post #5

Porn companies should be held liable for distributing porn to minors. Its already illegal. Denial about requiring basic KYC is causing all sorts of perverse solutions. Accept the requirement so we can have a sensible technical solution.

don't be so naive. if the billionaires want this, it can't be good for you. it really is that simple

Tech billionaires want you and your kids on their social media platforms so they can manipulate you and serve ads.

Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by iioiio »

Bender wrote: post #56
m12k wrote: post #34

I feel genuinely conflicted: On the one hand I get the "authoritarian overreach heebie-jeebies", that I think a lot of people on HN probably share. On the other hand I'd also really like the West to harden its election processes from election interference by its adversaries (e.g. Russia) - and shoring up dysinfo on e.g. Facebook by requiring users to prove their identity with a government ID is one of the only ways t…

Elections are easier to solve technically . No mail in ballots. Require state ID in person at the voting center. But that's a different topic that can get divisive, long and derailed very quickly.

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Re: Think of the children: How to force real ID for all internet traffic (2023)

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Post by Bender »

Gigachad wrote: post #74
Bender wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They need to be informed there are options that do not involve giving their information and their children's information to shady vendors.

Are there? Because we have had the last 15 years to see it isn’t working. Theres also the issue of peer pressure, it’s incredibly hard for one parent to say no to social media when every other kid has it and all the parties are arranged on Facebook. Right now telling your child they can’t have social media is crippling their ability to have a normal social life. Banning it outright means parents have a strong foundat…

That's why I suggest starting with really small children, kids that will be 13 by 2032. Starting with teens is a non starter regardless of how it is attempted in my opinion. It was a very long time ago but I recall being a teen. I could not be locked out of anything. Starting with small children is much easier and when they prove that they are mature and responsible enough then the floodgates open.
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