I don't get it, why not put codex/claude code/opencode in a docker container and be done with it?
This is what https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/scion does
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#72can someone tell me the actual market size for technophiles who I think are only people who use this stuff? I get lost in fact that people can't really understand that end of day this is just llm calls with like sqlite facade. I see the value is the convenience only of not having to set stuff up, but everyone else claims it does all this extra stuff that is not trivial to reproduce yourself.
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#73can someone tell me the actual market size for technophiles who I think are only people who use this stuff? I get lost in fact that people can't really understand that end of day this is just llm calls with like sqlite facade. I see the value is the convenience only of not having to set stuff up, but everyone else claims it does all this extra stuff that is not trivial to reproduce yourself.
> can someone tell me the actual market size for technophiles who I think are only people who use this stuff?
Approximately zero. Grifters, FOMO driven technophiles, and wannabe "founders" jumped on the bandwagon because it was "the next big thing" (where did I hear that before?). Now that the creator got cushy job at OpenAI, and the hype is over, it's just another tech bro toy to burn tokens with and scratch your OCD.
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#74Other than the hosting providers, who is making money directly from OpenClaw or Hermes Agent? It only appears that the hosting providers are and not the user spending thousands of dollars on these agents.
You could ask the same question about any tool ever created . Users who figure out ways to use their agents that are profitable to them make money. Everyone else spends money.
> Users who figure out ways to use their agents that are profitable to them make money
Does anyone know any of these users? Most of the agentic-coding boosters seem to be pretty much exclusively building personal knowledge bases and more agentic coding tools
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#75My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…
About three weeks ago I was seduced by people singing praise to OpenClaw, and also by the fact that OpenClaw team burns millions of dollars of tokens per month on developing it — surely it must be good. It turned out to be probably the crappiest, glitchiest piece of software I’ve used in the past few years. Its basic onboarding workflow was completely broken, GUI was a hallucinated mess. Also it turned out that not a…
I'm not so sure of that.
A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.
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#76Is it bad that I want to try Hermes but look at the code and see setup.py and no project.toml and it gives me pause?
I might be a little more paranoid than most because of my profession, but none of these projects inspire enough trust to justify being installed - let alone directly on the machine I use every day. OpenClaw, at least initially, and Hermes both appear to have been heavily astroturfed using all kinds of blackhat tactics, which is a huge red flag to me. And then there is the code.
This doesn’t get called out enough. Although actually come to think of it, I think it could be against HN guidelines to accuse things of being Astroturfed!
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
About three weeks ago I was seduced by people singing praise to OpenClaw, and also by the fact that OpenClaw team burns millions of dollars of tokens per month on developing it — surely it must be good. It turned out to be probably the crappiest, glitchiest piece of software I’ve used in the past few years. Its basic onboarding workflow was completely broken, GUI was a hallucinated mess. Also it turned out that not a…
I'm not so sure of that. A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.
It’s nice that they closed deals but pretty soon this kind of bot spam is going to drown everything out IMO
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#78My simple take: Hermes is for the less technical and is more polished. OpenClaw is deeper with more capabilities. OpenClaw has come so far since its' original launch/craze. I recommend taking a second look if you haven't touched it in a while. If for no other reason than it's just a really fun playground with a LOT of areas to experiment in. Setup a myriad of agents with various models, skills, cron jobs, etc. The co…
OpenClaw feels messy and unpolished. It's powerful but unreliable.
Hermes is focused, tight and does exactly what it set out to do. I already moved to Hermes.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
About three weeks ago I was seduced by people singing praise to OpenClaw, and also by the fact that OpenClaw team burns millions of dollars of tokens per month on developing it — surely it must be good. It turned out to be probably the crappiest, glitchiest piece of software I’ve used in the past few years. Its basic onboarding workflow was completely broken, GUI was a hallucinated mess. Also it turned out that not a…
I'm not so sure of that. A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.
One success case doesn't prove the comment you responded to isn't true.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry but if this is not a debacle, then we're operating under very different premises: - teknium1 retitled the original issue to "." and edited the issue text to "." - Nous Research deleted comments from 4 users, including the issue submitter, and blocked all of them. - No formal response has been given by teknium or the Nous Research project. It appears they are trying their darndest to brush it under the rug.…
I have no idea what these three things mean without more context.
This [0] is the issue in question. teknium1 replaced the entire issue text with a dot, and NousResearch deleted a bunch of subsequent comments.
Whether the claims have merit or not, attempting to make the claim go away in this way is at best unprofessional and childish.
[0] https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232