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Can you see three trees?

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Re: Can you see three trees?

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> I only walked a few of the main streets

Person walks along main roads in London and complains they see no trees. Meanwhile in other news .... :)

London is one of the most tree-ridden cities on this earth, so I dread to think what "main streets" you were walking along.

Re: Can you see three trees?

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Singapore here, checking all the boxes. 200m from a neighborhood park with many trees, and ~700m from a GARGANTUAN park, Jurong Lake Gardens, over 4 km in length with many times that in pathways through gardens and around a lake.

London here: can see 12 trees within 30m from the back, 10 from the front; 50m from a neighbourhood park, 300m from Burgess Park (140 acres), probably 700m from Southwark Park (60 acres) (all of these are well tree-d)

Re: Can you see three trees?

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One thing that I really really like about living in Amsterdam, is that we have trees and plants everwhere. Also, for 2 years now, city stopped cutting most of the plant growth in parks and on the side of roads. Its so beautiful green and colourful now and insects are having a great time. I counted this year already 6 different sorts of humblebees in my garden.

One of the reasons I moved from London to the town I'm in now was how much effort our local council puts in to maintaining the town's greenery. There's dedicated wildflower areas all over the place to encourage insects, which in turn encourages the bird life.

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I like to use wildlife as a proxy for the quality of a location. If you can see things like rabbits and squirrels on a regular basis, you are probably doing reasonably ok. I have to put up fences and other barriers or the deer will eat everything in my yard. I've seen suburban development that would easily satisfy the three tree test from any window on any property, but they still come off as desolate wastes. The age…

@steerpike on HN coined the "time to sheep" metric, a measure of how long you have to travel before you're surrounded by sheep[0], which correlates reasonably well with quality of living. Alas, doesn't work very well outside of britain, but it's a good metric :) [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42802744

Anywhere tropical is pretty far out from sheep, so that metric is clearly broken.

Re: Can you see three trees?

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure, it was one of things that got me about Orkney. Mind you, wars and sheep did have a pretty devastating effect on the Caledonian woodland cover of the highlands. The current population of the red deer aren't helping with natural regeneration. This is one of the reasons for the case for re-introducing predator species. But that's a complex topic with no simple answers and easy divisions.

There is already a predator species that eats red deer. Just up our venison consumption!

This is very much a true thing in the UK. Deer are overpopulated and causing damage to their environment.

As you have pointed out the solution is to eat more venison, but most local butchers stock hardly any of it because of low demand.

Re: Can you see three trees?

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One thing that I really really like about living in Amsterdam, is that we have trees and plants everwhere. Also, for 2 years now, city stopped cutting most of the plant growth in parks and on the side of roads. Its so beautiful green and colourful now and insects are having a great time. I counted this year already 6 different sorts of humblebees in my garden.

Also us Dutchies have this thing called "tegelwippen": https://www.nk-tegelwippen.nl It's a competition about which municipality can remove most pavement tiles & replace with greenery. People do this on their own too - guerilla gardening style. It's not uncommon to ride through a city street, and see a strip of pavement tiles removed & some flowers in there. Or some plants dangling from a pot attached to a street lig…

We did this in front of out old house in Scheveningen. The hofje had a very small shared space behind us so we pulled up the first foot of bricks in the street side of the house and planted flowers.

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post #54

I like to use wildlife as a proxy for the quality of a location. If you can see things like rabbits and squirrels on a regular basis, you are probably doing reasonably ok. I have to put up fences and other barriers or the deer will eat everything in my yard. I've seen suburban development that would easily satisfy the three tree test from any window on any property, but they still come off as desolate wastes. The age…

Yeah wildlife & its variety is a good indicator for how much an area is disturbed by humans.

For this reason, I'd prefer to have compact cities with a good amount of high-rise buildings and city parks dotted in between. As opposed to large sprawling suburban zones.

That leaves more space for natural areas outside cities where people are few & far between.

Re: Can you see three trees?

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What struck me is that the "three trees from your window" part sounds almost trivial until you actually test it

I opened up Google Street for Valencia (claimed to be the worst in the article) and I struggle to find a street that plausibly fails this test.

Re: Can you see three trees?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what parts of London you were in, but there's many trees in London on sidewalks. There's even a specific species for it - the London plane (Platanus × hispanica) If you're in the very new, constantly rebuilt, concrete jungle that is the very small part of the city, then OK, greenery is going to be hard to spot. Particularly as they tend to nearly always choose the wrong species to plant and aftercare is…

open Google maps at Monument station, find a tree in the area. all the streets in that region of London (let's say 1 sq km) are quite narrow, I would guess there just is not enough space for street trees.

The article links to the Tree Equity Project (https://uk.treeequityscore.org/map) which has pretty detailed measures for London. Some very central areas do go as low as 2-3%, but they are probably the exception rather than the rule.
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