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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by SoftTalker »

munksbeer wrote: post #62
SoftTalker wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a state that PornHub and most of the other adult sites will block due to age restriction laws. I'm not going to make a login, or give them my ID, and I'm not motivated enough to use a VPN or otherwise work around the restrictions... so I guess the law achieved its goals. I don't think I'd bend over backwards to keep access to social media either. It's really not that important.

That includes hackernews right?

I would say yes. I would not give Ycombinator my ID to be able to post here.

If they decided this site was for 16+ or whatever, and there was some privacy-preserving way to prove that, I might consider it. But not by sending them my driver's license.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by sjducb »

Hizonner wrote: post #70
sjducb wrote: post #54

These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

> These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, These laws exist because people will believe any nonsense if they see it repeated enough times in news headlines. "Social media", as presently incarnated, depending on what definition you choose, may be somewhat damaging to some people, including some children. That does not justify ghettoizing all children. It also doesn't justify creating (y…

If you are unable to empathise with people who support the ban and dismiss them (and me) as idiots then your political action is unlikely to be successful.

Every dad I know who works in tech supports some kind of restriction on social media/smartphones for kids. The argument is how to do it, not whether we should.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by Hizonner »

sjducb wrote: post #72
Hizonner wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, These laws exist because people will believe any nonsense if they see it repeated enough times in news headlines. "Social media", as presently incarnated, depending on what definition you choose, may be somewhat damaging to some people, including some children. That does not justify ghettoizing all children. It also doesn't justify creating (y…

If you are unable to empathise with people who support the ban and dismiss them (and me) as idiots then your political action is unlikely to be successful. Every dad I know who works in tech supports some kind of restriction on social media/smartphones for kids. The argument is how to do it, not whether we should.

You are apparently "unable to empathize" with the people whose actions you are trying to restrict by force. Why should anybody empathize with you?

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by [deleted] »

feurio wrote: post #63
pmg101 wrote: post #59

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I am so tired of everyone assuming the worst possible implementation of age verification. Whatever happened to steel manning? It's supposed to be in the fabric of HN. Curious enquiry. Is it nice children are exposed to dreadful things? No. Could we, with tech, come up with a way to improve things? Probably! Let's discuss and think about how!

This. Smart people could apply their skills and build a genuinely useful technology. But seems they would rather stick their finger in their ears and pretend that it's not happening. And they will be ignored. WHen did this learned helplessness become so in vogue?

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Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by feurio »

cjs_ac wrote: post #66
feurio wrote: post #50

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Doesn't sound like the kind of device that your average schoolkid has in their pocket?

Are you the Sisyphus of goalposts or something?

I am willing to be educated; does the average schoolkid carry such a device?

I suspect that the number of kids using not using an app on a device that is aware of its locality is a rounding error.

Tesco* phones on some network's family plan must be 95th percentile.

(* other high street retailers are available)

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Post by tencentshill »

SoftTalker wrote: post #41
palmotea wrote: post #25

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> So what this will achieve is it will reduce the number of British muggles on social media, thus bringing us a bit closer to the Good Old Days when only nerds were online. I'm fine with this. I think you have a skewed and inaccurate understanding. Why would "British muggles" be so up in arms over an ID check that they swear off social media if they can't "circumvent this with a VPN or a proxy"? It's not like everyon…

I'm in a state that PornHub and most of the other adult sites will block due to age restriction laws. I'm not going to make a login, or give them my ID, and I'm not motivated enough to use a VPN or otherwise work around the restrictions... so I guess the law achieved its goals. I don't think I'd bend over backwards to keep access to social media either. It's really not that important.

They can have the proof that the person accessing a given site is of age, but they don't ever get to know who.

Re: UK to require ID or face scan before you can make social media accounts

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Post by MyMemoryfails »

haunter wrote: post #58
sjducb wrote: post #54

These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging to children, destroying their attention, exposing them to online bullying and extortion, and showing them horrific and traumatic content. Can anyone suggest a better way of protecting kids, other than age verification? People without teenagers often say that parents can restrict phone access and use parental controls. In reality most parents don’t do this be…

> These laws exist because social media is extremely damaging My take: These laws exist because _everyone_ not just kids needs to be tracked by real ID. Make no mistake you won't be exempt from this when you have to prove you are over 16. Sure just don't use social media but that's just the first step. Next step will be games (already exist to some extent in China and South Korea) and then who knows what. Mind you si…

Games are already part of this if game contains game chats. You will need do ID check.

https://www.thegamer.com/online-games-chat-ban-for-children-...

I think we've also seen this in action with playstation, i remember people complaining about it.

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