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Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by carlosjobim »

jimkleiber wrote: post #65
carlosjobim wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.

Perhaps. I think it's more about the passport ranking so one can travel and also the salary bump. But even if more of the other government services, try living in a country where if you get into a serious car accident you have to pay cash at the ER before they treat you. Scrambling to find multiple thousands of dollars in cash at 3am sometimes. (This happened to my friend in Kenya) Im not sure if I can blame people f…

I think a very low percentage of migrants do it so that they can get a better passport for traveling. Sure, there are people who do that also.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by profsummergig »

swiftcoder wrote: post #66
profsummergig wrote: post #61

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These are expats, not immigrants. They aren't welcome to become citizens in Saudi Arabia.

I'm not entirely clear that the migration dataset actually distinguishes between those cases?

My comment was based on Saudi Arabia's expat policy. Not on the dataset. Saudi Arabia doesn't welcome foreigners moving there to become citizens.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by inigyou »

carlosjobim wrote: post #62
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #17

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I think people underestimate how many people move back to their home country once they have a better chance (through e.g. education or money) and / or when the situation there improves (e.g. stability). It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries.

Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.

What country pays out benefits to non-residents?

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by bluealienpie »

inigyou wrote: post #73
carlosjobim wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.

What country pays out benefits to non-residents?

And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by carlosjobim »

bluealienpie wrote: post #74
inigyou wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country pays out benefits to non-residents?

And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.

You don't have to pay taxes nor social security for 20+ years in order to become a citizen in very many countries. You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen. Usually the requirement is that you are a resident for a set number of years in order to become a citizen.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

nemo44x wrote: post #67
arrowsmith wrote: post #45

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US had net negative migration in 2025 for the first time in decades: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/immigra...

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You’re assuming everything else can’t grow to absorb the demand.

In general it does - new housing, job creation, all of it.

What you’re really seeing is when something - often policy - gets in the way and a place ends up underbuilt.

It’s still a problem but it’s one with different solutions.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by slow_typist »

jimkleiber wrote: post #65
carlosjobim wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or move back to your home country once you've gained a beneficial citizenship and can have foreign government benefits paid out every month while you don't even live in that country anymore.

Perhaps. I think it's more about the passport ranking so one can travel and also the salary bump. But even if more of the other government services, try living in a country where if you get into a serious car accident you have to pay cash at the ER before they treat you. Scrambling to find multiple thousands of dollars in cash at 3am sometimes. (This happened to my friend in Kenya) Im not sure if I can blame people f…

Is it legal to let people suffer or even die at the ER on Kenya if they don’t happen to carry a few k$?

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by aranelsurion »

carlosjobim wrote: post #75
bluealienpie wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you pay taxes and social security for 20+ years why wouldn’t you be entitled to it? Especially considering you wouldn’t be using expensive programs like Medicare.

You don't have to pay taxes nor social security for 20+ years in order to become a citizen in very many countries. You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen. Usually the requirement is that you are a resident for a set number of years in order to become a citizen.

> You can live on benefits before becoming a citizen and after becoming a citizen

What benefits? I don't know every country in the world, in Germany unless you count retirement as a benefit (which is something you pay for and have to reach a certain age that is ever moving upwards) you don't get any assistance if you're not living in the country.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by t-3 »

nobrains wrote: post #9

Why has , recently, Pakistan been seen added more and more to a new category "MENAP" and separate from South Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh) ? These classifications should be geographic and could even racial, but it seems this new classification (MENAP) seems more "religious"

Probably because they have been getting closer to those countries, especially since India has started getting closer to Israel.

Re: Global population movements from 1990 to 2023

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Post by jimjimjim »

pjc50 wrote: post #20
swiftcoder wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see that MENA is a net positive on migration. There's often a lot of rhetoric around MENA migration to Europe and North America, but you hear much less about migration to MENA countries.

The Gulf states take in a lot of migrant workers, who have basically no labour rights there. https://www.ilo.org/regions-and-countries/arab-states/united... "The UAE hosts some 8.7 million migrant workers – equivalent to over 80 per cent of the country’s resident population – making it one of the largest foreign labour-receiving countries in the world. With Emirati nationals mainly employed in the public sector, migr…

Yep. When I was in Kuwait, admittedly 20 years ago, there were a LOT of non-kuwaitis there as most manual labor jobs were done by foreign workers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's still the same today.
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