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FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Here's the link to submit a comment to the FCC: https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filings/express Ran a quick search and found a whole bunch of news articles, but nobody includes info that makes it easy to route your comment. Feels like the beginning of Hitchhiker's Guide: > It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.

Open to the possibility that I’m just cynical but my faith is very low that these comment processes are anything more than a regulatory requirement for the illusion of due diligence which legitimizes the actual corporate lobbying and security state actually making the policy.

They require your name and address, so they will have a nice database of anyone who dares voice an objection.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

Worse, we are becoming a burden. The Thiels of the world are already past wanting an obedient consumer. They don't need us for the utopia they imagine for themselves.

It was a terrible scattered movie, but they want Elysium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What problem were they hoping to solve with that legislation?

The problem of citizens having anonymous internet connectivity.

That's an illusion. Two days of location data and you can pin down the owner pretty well.

I thought about getting a SIM when Germany was about to introduce ID requirements. I quickly realized this being a moot point.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Fundamentally un-American. That being said, many countries across the world already do this to eliminate burner phones. And many messaging apps require a phone number anyways so this basically locks down anonymous messaging through a phone.

there still are a bunch of viable messaging apps/services that work without a phone number:

matrix, wire, deltachat, threema, maybe jabber/xmpp (depends on their support of encryption). any others?

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Fundamentally un-American. That being said, many countries across the world already do this to eliminate burner phones. And many messaging apps require a phone number anyways so this basically locks down anonymous messaging through a phone.

> many messaging apps require a phone number But not all, so what's the actual point?

If a messaging app ever gets the attention of government regulators, it must succumb to this verification.

I don't know any way to avoid this.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but if you’re a tourist in e.g. Barcelona trying to get a prepaid SIM, odds are the shopkeeper will not ask you for your ID despite being required to. > Last I traveled the shop required a passport or uploading one to get an eSIM ahead of time. Sounds like you went to a carrier boutique and not one of the million independent shops.

I would think most tourists would trust a carrier-branded store over Honest Jochen's Tobacco Emporium where you may or may not get a working SIM after paying cash.

Trust? Sure. They’re still more likely to buy their prepaid SIM from the shop that also sells bongs, they are on every corner after all.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse, we are becoming a burden. The Thiels of the world are already past wanting an obedient consumer. They don't need us for the utopia they imagine for themselves.

It was a terrible scattered movie, but they want Elysium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

No, Elysium still had all the desperate poor people. That's not the end goal.

Re: FCC wants to kill burner phones by forcing telecoms to get all customers' IDs

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No more anonymous driving, thanks to Flock. Soon, no more anonymous calls, thanks to the FCC. Your bank already knows everything about you; why not your operating system, too? Soon your ISP will only let you online if your OS sends them the "right" information: your government ID. We should also abolish cash while we're at it. The government needs to know every purchase you've ever made, no exceptions. Of course, the…

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