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Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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I'm old enough to have been acquired by Computer Associates at a company that acquired my company. CA's business model was to buy companies and then fold their products into an omnibus license, all of their customers, including the ones they just acquired, becoming involuntary licensees whatever the cat dragged in this quarter. It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product the…

The number of corporate IT departments got caught when VMWare licencing shifted from Dell EMC to Broadcom https://www.techradar.com/pro/broadcom-has-allegedly-hiked-v...

This still confuses me. It's clear they wanted to 10x licensing costs and /10 customers which assumably raises margins, but i still dont see it working out.

My international enterprise and all our business partners moved every broadcom product we have to a competitor. On top of that, they were very aggressive and combative with their sales+cease and desist threats.

They earned enemies for life. Some of us care about business relationships. Broadcom is dead to me and anyone that will listen to me.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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> "Founded in 2013, Bending Spoons reported a net income of $27.5 million on revenue of $601 million for the three months ended March 31, compared to a net loss of $112.2 million on revenue of $259 million a year earlier. A large chunk of its revenue comes from recurring subscriptions, providing a more predictable stream of income." Gergely Orosz did an interview with them in 2024: https://newsletter.pragmaticenginee…

Clever, shitty numbers and they decide to IPO at the peak of the "actually SaaS is worthless" hype. I wish them the worst, considering their business model.

In Italy they are really frowned upon by developers. They add 0 value. And it's not like "Oh, VC firms add 0 value to companies they acquire", this is really messed up.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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I'm old enough to have been acquired by Computer Associates at a company that acquired my company. CA's business model was to buy companies and then fold their products into an omnibus license, all of their customers, including the ones they just acquired, becoming involuntary licensees whatever the cat dragged in this quarter. It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product the…

> It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product they use gets acquired by a company with this business model. This always shocks me. I moved a company off of Salesforce in 45 days without a big issue. Day 1 was a bit slower but by day 2 folks were back at full speed. I've pulled off EMR migrations, ERP, accounting, etc. Moving is scary but doable. Sometimes the execs will just…

Sometimes these deals are backroom friends/frat bros/sex etc and make no sense without knowing that crap.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Hmm, didn't know of Partiful. Quick look at landing page, seems more geared to parties and more social media-y? Meetup's event listing was good as it was; well, before they started charging for you to even see who's attending.

In NY + SF, it's used for anything you might want to attend that would be organized by an individual - parties, meetups, food crawls, classes, concerts, local events, etc.

Interesting, learned something new, thanks!

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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The number of corporate IT departments got caught when VMWare licencing shifted from Dell EMC to Broadcom https://www.techradar.com/pro/broadcom-has-allegedly-hiked-v...

This still confuses me. It's clear they wanted to 10x licensing costs and /10 customers which assumably raises margins, but i still dont see it working out. My international enterprise and all our business partners moved every broadcom product we have to a competitor. On top of that, they were very aggressive and combative with their sales+cease and desist threats. They earned enemies for life. Some of us care about…

That's what people have been saying about Oracle for decades, and they're still going strong

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You missed filmic. Wow. So these people are the reason why Filmic went overnight from one of my favorite iOS apps to something for the trash heap. my knee jerk reaction is to throw shade at the ppl operating the company but, upon second thought, there's an obvious pattern of them relieving the company from people who knew less how to run (and sustain) it. I haven't used evernote in almost a decade but it actually see…

At least Evernote was saved by Bending Spoons. At one point, even Evernote was getting roughly a third of its monthly revenue from merchandise, which is pretty wild for a paperless note-taking app and a decent sign that the core business was already in bad shape. For the rest, though, they seem very good at squeezing hard whatever is left.

Yep, but now they’re jacking the pricing to the moon and everyone is starting to leave for other apps. I almost did it this year and probably will do it next year.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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I'm old enough to have been acquired by Computer Associates at a company that acquired my company. CA's business model was to buy companies and then fold their products into an omnibus license, all of their customers, including the ones they just acquired, becoming involuntary licensees whatever the cat dragged in this quarter. It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product the…

> It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product they use gets acquired by a company with this business model. This always shocks me. I moved a company off of Salesforce in 45 days without a big issue. Day 1 was a bit slower but by day 2 folks were back at full speed. I've pulled off EMR migrations, ERP, accounting, etc. Moving is scary but doable. Sometimes the execs will just…

Why was the board involved in that decision to begin with?

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of corporate IT departments got caught when VMWare licencing shifted from Dell EMC to Broadcom https://www.techradar.com/pro/broadcom-has-allegedly-hiked-v...

This still confuses me. It's clear they wanted to 10x licensing costs and /10 customers which assumably raises margins, but i still dont see it working out. My international enterprise and all our business partners moved every broadcom product we have to a competitor. On top of that, they were very aggressive and combative with their sales+cease and desist threats. They earned enemies for life. Some of us care about…

> They earned enemies for life. Some of us care about business relationships. Broadcom is dead to me and anyone that will listen to me.

That's the thing: Broadcom don't. Care, bother, whatever. You are not even a blip.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Mark my words: they will keep growing until they collapse, and once that happens, they will use their reach and contacts with the Italian government to ask to be bailed out out of debt. It’s not a matter of “if”, but “when”.

It’s a well known strategy that has been applied by several Italian companies, FIAT (now Stellantis) first and foremost.

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