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Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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skeledrew wrote: post #69
hilariously wrote: post #39

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You could build fully humanoid robots that solve every problem generically, or you could solve the sub problems much more efficiently - I don't know why everyone is all in on the hardest problem when in software and hardware we find that the "solve everything" tool basically doesn't work, because solving everything is usually solving nothing very fast.

You can buy a camera, portable music player, handheld gaming console, eBook reader, dumb phone, calculator, etc to solve each sub problem efficiently. Or you can buy a smart phone that generically solves every relevant problem. What direction did you take and how is life with it?

Those are all digital bit operating items that can be put into one box, the physical world doesn't work like that.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

IshKebab wrote: post #50
forgotusername6 wrote: post #44

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Two robots

Then they can't bring anything up or down the stairs. Still, I expect it won't matter - by the time we have reasonably priced robots that can reliably do all housework, that's like 90% of jobs eliminated from society and probably society will collapse.

Maybe one can throw things to the other :).

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by skeledrew »

hilariously wrote: post #71
skeledrew wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy a camera, portable music player, handheld gaming console, eBook reader, dumb phone, calculator, etc to solve each sub problem efficiently. Or you can buy a smart phone that generically solves every relevant problem. What direction did you take and how is life with it?

Those are all digital bit operating items that can be put into one box, the physical world doesn't work like that.

What makes the physical world different in this context? Isn't it things that humans are currently doing that we're automating away? Why not a human-like (in terms of capabilities) machine so it has similar flexibility?

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by lenerdenator »

skeledrew wrote: post #66
lenerdenator wrote: post #7

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Depends on what your definition of "good" is. If your definition is "it could, at some point, enable me to stop paying humans for their labor and pass along more of the value to major shareholders like myself", then yes, that's a reason to want humanoid robots. If your definition of "good" is a little more broadly scoped than the above - which it should be if you don't have an MBA and a substance abuse problem - then…

There won't be any value at all to pass along, as wage labour is the base requirement for a capital-driven economy.

In the long-term, you're absolutely correct.

But the kind of person I'm describing doesn't care about the long-term, or really, anything beyond the current fiscal reporting period.

If there really were some sort of AI that were to be able to drive a humanoid robot to do the same tasks as well or better than a human, and we saw mass adoption, it'd take longer than a fiscal quarter to see the full macroeconomic impact, but the layoffs? You can write those down right then and there.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by vitally3643 »

gacgacgac wrote: post #40
elil17 wrote: post #29

It is good to see someone finally working on one of these without the stupid legs (I think the legs are stupid because they give your robot the chance to fall over and are not relevant for most environments).

Do you have stairs in your house?

To be fair, there are wheel arrangements which can negotiate stairs. Tank treads can probably do it too.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by hilariously »

skeledrew wrote: post #73
hilariously wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are all digital bit operating items that can be put into one box, the physical world doesn't work like that.

What makes the physical world different in this context? Isn't it things that humans are currently doing that we're automating away? Why not a human-like (in terms of capabilities) machine so it has similar flexibility?

Atoms are harder to reorganize than bits, undo is not an option because of entropy, game over means you are dead.

Yes, and my point is that human like is so difficult that solving lesser problems is a much more tractable approach.

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by trumpdong »

nerdjon wrote: post #17
trumpdong wrote: post #6

There is no good reason to have a humanoid robot. None. Dishwashers do best in a dishwasher shape.

A dishwasher is the only reason you can think of a humanoid robot? How about a robot to load and unload the dishwasher. The fact is we live in a world built for humans. I have a robot vacuum and for it to be effective I had to setup my home in a certain way, and even then it is not fully effective. People pay for cleaners to come into their home all the time, it shouldn't be hard to think why a humanoid robot would (…

How about integrating the cleaning mechanism into the dish cupboard so they don't need to be moved at all?

This exists. It's called dish drawers. Two mini-dishwashers in a unit with the idea that you will take your dishes out of one, use them, and put them in the other. When you need to, you run the dishwashing cycle in the dirty drawer. It does seem a little silly, but isn't storing your dishes directly in the dishwasher far more efficient than either manual or automated unloading?

Re: Nvidia partners with LG robotics to build humanoid robots in South Korea

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Post by trumpdong »

01100011 wrote: post #31
Aardwolf wrote: post #9

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I'd love the robot to fill and empty the dishwasher and put the stuff in the correct drawers and cabinets edit: but if the robot could in addition also do dishes in the sink and not need a dishwasher at all, that'd also save up space in the kitchen for something else

I'd rather have two dishwashers and an automated loading/dispensing system built into each one. The dishwasher is already a fairly optimal dish storage device. Using somewhat standardized dish dimensions would make it fairly easy to implement.

This exists.
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