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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself. This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a s…

" True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. " And these criticism destroys any goodwill from me. These are non topics my among political diverse friends. Most people criticise the EU internet regulations are American cry babys. Their arguments are shallow, their knowledge about EU is low.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#73

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

That's because American BigTech Bros are afraid of the below and will take every opportunity to diss on it.

"Support uptake of open source alternatives to proprietary solutions together with Member States and the Digital Commons EDIC — cloud, workplace tools, secure e-mail, decentralised social media."

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#74

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

I guess the hate is because the EU also invented the following monstrosities: - CRA (cyber resiliency act): Manufacturers must handle and release security patches for vulnerabilities, and developers are required to report actively on exploited vulnerabilities and breaches. - PLD (Product Liability Directive): A failure to provide critical security updates or the presence of exploitable vulnerabilities can now legally…

IIRC Microsoft has a no liability clause in its licenses. How did they react to this?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

#75
post #65

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital. Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself. This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a s…

> Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech.

Are you really trying to suggest that GDPR and PECR are bad pieces of legislation because businesses have decided that they’d prefer to give you a bad UX?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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The DMA is a great initiative for more market competition.

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> Instead of letting the best product win by consumer choice, they're forcing every messaging product to become mediocre.

Do you really believe products win because they’re the best? I’d strongly argue that monopolistic power and loss-leading VC investment is what drives success.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I guess the hate is because the EU also invented the following monstrosities: - CRA (cyber resiliency act): Manufacturers must handle and release security patches for vulnerabilities, and developers are required to report actively on exploited vulnerabilities and breaches. - PLD (Product Liability Directive): A failure to provide critical security updates or the presence of exploitable vulnerabilities can now legally…

IIRC Microsoft has a no liability clause in its licenses. How did they react to this?

? Usually the clauses arent valid from the contracts and you can sue Microsoft on court. What did you expect?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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The DMA is a great initiative for more market competition.

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R&D spend? In messaging product?

Sorry, but these companies spend much more effort on making sure their product is walled off and incompatible with everything than giving it any actual quality.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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post #34

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It's not only HN. You can see big tech media hate against any effort europe does. Everybody is mocking europe for building 10 years old chip fabs or their measly small unusable clouds or bad startup scene. It's interesting because not that long ago nobody cared about what europe did in tech. Or more like everybody was fine with the fact that europe imported computers and exported something else. It was like that fore…

It’s even more interesting because a big supply chain problem during Covid were related to old chips used in tons of mechanical engineering products, like cars. Given that experience you could argue that the old fabs are much better value for money for resiliency.

Asianometry just released a video about this: The EU Chips Act is a Failure [0]

Definitely the most cynical video he ever released.

- [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqoX9OIR-DI

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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The DMA is a great initiative for more market competition.

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It is in the interest of our societies to make sure the markets work, and continue to work. That’s why we created market regulators. If a winner wins so much that they threaten to destroy the market, the importance of having a market trumps the winner’s right to win.

This is monopoly 101. That’s why the US broke up Standard Oil.

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