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Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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it is illegal for Merchants to charge credit card processing fees by law, they have to absorb these fees and cannot display them to the customer. This naturally protects the artificial oligopoly of visa/mc/discover systems. The moment you allow Merchants to charge cc fees (even 2-3%) and allow customer to choose low processing option (ACH/debit card/cash), the whole scheme falls apart and Visa/MC will slowly go bankr…

>it is illegal for Merchants to charge credit card processing fees by law, This is only true in 4 states.

the typical Merchantbank agreements all have clauses forcing them to absorb these fees and explicitly barring them from separately charging customer CC fee.

and most small/med businesses dont have clout to protest that, so they have to accept these terms in order to earn money

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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Payment processing costs are a scam. They're 10x as expensive as they need to be to fund rewards programs and fund the financial system. EU max credit card transaction fees are 0.3%, in the US they can be up to 4%. It just doesn't cost 4% of a transaction to handle the exchange of funds. Just wealth transfer to finance people and the upper class who take advantage of credit card perks.

As someone who really enjoys rewards programs, keep those scams alive!

Might want to think twice about that: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/opinion/credit-card-rewar...

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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Payment processing costs are a scam. They're 10x as expensive as they need to be to fund rewards programs and fund the financial system. EU max credit card transaction fees are 0.3%, in the US they can be up to 4%. It just doesn't cost 4% of a transaction to handle the exchange of funds. Just wealth transfer to finance people and the upper class who take advantage of credit card perks.

Can someone explain to me if EU card transactions are capped, why Stripe charges me (US) the full ride on my EU customer's cards? In fact, I get charged even more for EU cards – perhaps as much as 2.5% extra. I just checked and I get charged ~8% in fees on a 10 euro transaction on Stripe. Of course some of that is the low transaction amount (flat 0.30), but it's brutal for a small business like myself. 2.9% + 1.5% (i…

The EU only capped interchange fees, which is the amount that goes to the bank that issued the card. It did not cap the fees that go the your PSP. Which makes sense, since you can pick the PSP you do business with, but you can't pick the bank that issues your customers' cards.

(And I don't think it applies to US merchants like you anyways)

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_15_...

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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Payment processing costs are a scam. They're 10x as expensive as they need to be to fund rewards programs and fund the financial system. EU max credit card transaction fees are 0.3%, in the US they can be up to 4%. It just doesn't cost 4% of a transaction to handle the exchange of funds. Just wealth transfer to finance people and the upper class who take advantage of credit card perks.

As someone who really enjoys rewards programs, keep those scams alive!

The irony is that every couple you shop with just increases the prices of their items to deal with the fees, so you're just paying more for items to feel good about getting reward program benefits.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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So maybe it'll stop taking three requests, 1-2 months, and a certified letter every year to receive your tax refund? HMRCs digital services in general are pretty good, but refunds not so much.

My self assessment refund came through within days of submitting my assessment.

Yeah, this has been my experience too. I don't know how much easier it could be.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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As someone who really enjoys rewards programs, keep those scams alive!

Might want to think twice about that: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/opinion/credit-card-rewar...

You are assuming they don't know about all this already when I feel like they have made it quite clear they do.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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As someone who really enjoys rewards programs, keep those scams alive!

The irony is that every couple you shop with just increases the prices of their items to deal with the fees, so you're just paying more for items to feel good about getting reward program benefits.

You are also being subsidised by debit card users.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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There’s a huge difference for small business owners. Stripe has a Get started button. You click it, fill out a form, get your site approved in maybe a day, and start making money. Adyen has a Talk to our team button. You close the tab and never think about it again until you’re making serious money. --- Edit: that is, of course, by design. Adyen doesn’t want small businesses. From the sibling comment: > only able to…

Adyen has resellers. Mollie is one example, they do have. Get Started and no lower limit. These smaller parties rely on the bank license of Adyen

Mollie doesn't resell Adyen, nor does it rely on Adyen's banking license.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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Except in the US, it does. Depending on the card, it can cost as much as 4.5% (or more!) to run the card. You can argue that it shouldn't, but that's a different statement than it doesn't.

uh, I'm including the card issuers as participants in this multi-party scam

It's still costing them > 3%.

Re: Gov.uk has replaced Stripe with Dutch provider Adyen

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> All payment systems are centralized Except for blockchain based ones

None of which are in production at scale. I admit crypto is optimal for less than legal transactions and speculation, but the volume for legal payment transactions is negligible.

Solana mainnet was shown to have capability to handle 100k transactions per second [1]. Granted, it was a synthetic benchmark of noops, but it shows the capability is there. For reference, Visa claim 83k TPS [2] for their system. It also has the advantage of being vastly cheaper than tradfi payment networks at ca. $0.0005 per transaction [3] irrespective of transaction amount.

[1] https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2025/08/18/solana-briefly-h...

[2] https://corporate.visa.com/en/sites/visa-perspectives/securi...

[3] https://solana.com/learn/understanding-solana-transaction-fe...

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