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The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

hyperhello wrote: post #3

Your company is laying people off because they need something to do. They’re goalless in the extreme and relying on big talk and big action about the latest fad. You don’t have leaders, you have owners. You must look around and see the lack of men, and force yourself to become one.

> You must look around and see the lack of men, and force yourself to become one.

As a man I need you to expand on this because I'm trying to imagine what concrete actions you think "a man" would do in this circumstance, and of the things I've come up with the only one I think I'm allowed to say on this forum is "quit and find a new job."

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by pebble »

internet2000 wrote: post #62
pebble wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well all the things OP complained about are inherently caused by capitalism but I think it’s probably possible to engage in capitalism in a way that is cognizant of those issues and actively trying to avoid them instead of treating them as eh that’s just how business is done

Then I'd suggest, in good faith, avoiding the "Ugh, capitalism" framing in the future. That just comes across as lazy, which doesn't help your point. As exemplified by the replies you got, all arguing about words. https://www.persuasion.community/p/ugh-capitalism

I admit I could've probably used more words but when someone says "it's just business" that is a clear example of how the particular flavor of capitalism we live under has enabled and indeed encourages brushing away any moral and ethical qualms as "it's just business" and as you say, it was quite interesting to see how many people immediately jumped to dictionaries, communism, and whatever else the moment capitalism was criticized.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by altern8 »

antonvs wrote: post #73
altern8 wrote: post #13

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You haven't ever studied logic, I see. Look up "false dichotomy" to start with.

I'm a high school dropout.

What are other economic systems..? Nobody seems to be able to answer, I would be happy to look them up to learn more about them.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by krapp »

sublinear wrote: post #69
krapp wrote: post #50

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If they're on Hacker News, there's a good chance they've never made less than a six figure salary in their entire life, which would certainly place them in the upper 5% of wealth globally. So while it isn't a certain bet it is a safe bet. And if it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you. There are plenty of people here it does apply to.

Yeah... that's 1 in 20? The smart kid in the back of the class grew up? I'm not sure who you were expecting that person to become. If the barrier to becoming an "elite" is that low and you still consider 6-figures a meaningful benchmark in a world that sells big macs for 10 bucks, are you also calling anyone running even a modestly successful small business "elite"? I'm not even sure I'm engaging with a meaningful po…

Yes. Having more wealth than the vast majority of people makes you an elite.

I don't know why you think making a 100k or higher salary is just "Big Mac money," but you're either larping or exactly the kind of out of touch I'm talking about.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by pebble »

altern8 wrote: post #61
internet2000 wrote: post #51

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So you're talking about a set of values, not the economic system. The "capitalism" mention was bit of a non-sequitur, then.

Yes, exactly. Which is good, I can't figure out how anybody can see the government owning everything as a good thing for anyone. If you just look at postal services across the world, as an example, or anything else run by government, they're 100 times less efficient then competitors and their workers always look like they're super-miserable. Imagine if that was the only option.

Less efficient or less profitable? Also I'm gonna need to see some references for those claims in your last paragraph.

Funnily enough it's the couriers working for the private companies that I see looking more and more dead inside recently.

So, yknow, anecdote for an anecdote.

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by hyperhello »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #71
hyperhello wrote: post #3

Your company is laying people off because they need something to do. They’re goalless in the extreme and relying on big talk and big action about the latest fad. You don’t have leaders, you have owners. You must look around and see the lack of men, and force yourself to become one.

> You must look around and see the lack of men, and force yourself to become one. As a man I need you to expand on this because I'm trying to imagine what concrete actions you think "a man" would do in this circumstance, and of the things I've come up with the only one I think I'm allowed to say on this forum is "quit and find a new job."

What do you mean, allowed to say on this forum? Who is around to stop you from saying what you mean? Is this some kind of dramatic display of your secondary status? What responsibility for you are you asking me to take?

Re: The company I work for is losing all of its humanity, I don't know where to go

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Post by pebble »

altern8 wrote: post #70
pebble wrote: post #67

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Sure, as a theory capitalism is just a free market but I obviously mean capitalism as it exists today and shapes our entire world. And socialism has it's own can of worms, sure. But what I was responding to in particular with my original comment was the parent commenters claim that "It’s just business" and that engaging in capitalism means you must inherently engage in the practices the OP was complaining about.

They didn't mention capitalism, "it's just business" just means that's how it goes. If the government owned the company OP works at, it would still be "just business" according to the commenter.

Sure, because that's not all it means. "It's just business" is the excuse people tell themselves to justify the things they do.
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