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Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #4

I'm cautiously optimistic. The Cloud and AI Development Act looks especially interesting: --- # Capacity * at least tripling the EU’s data centre capacity within the next 5–7 years; * simplifying and accelerating permitting and deployment of data centres; * improving access to key resources such as energy, land, water and financing; ensuring sufficient computing capacity to support AI, cloud services and data-intensi…

Disclaimer: i think you'd consider me into degrowth

> at least tripling the EU’s data centre capacity within the next 5–7 years

Who would that benefit? We already have too many of them treating too much data. Mom and pop shops don't need more data centers. Consumers don't need more data centers. Citizens don't need more data centers.

You probably know very well that any new data center will be used exclusively for surveillance technology and so called "artificial intelligence", which in my opinion are net negatives for society.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by 627467 »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #54
nradov wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic that the EU has adopted English as their primary language now that England is no longer in the EU.

It almost certainly makes it easier to adopt English, since it no longer has the political optics of favoring a country.

The issue i with this type of "pragmatism" that leads English being the main working language (a language that is only official in one country and even there is "seen as colonial relic") is this sort of half-assing attitude is what created the status quo - EU and european people lacking autonomy in all sorts of social and economic life.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by snowpid »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #70
snowpid wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Degrowth was only popular in Germany, UK and Spain. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/no-solid-scientific-basis-deg... Germany and UK follow a the no growth and it is very unpopular. Spain's economy gives a shit and grows.

You seem somewhat confused about this issue. Degrowth has little to do with abstract economic numbers such as GDP, and precisely criticizes its very concept. Degrowth is an alternative to greenwashing, aka "green growth" destroying our planet in the name of saving it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth

"Degrowth is an academic and social movement[1] aimed at the planned and democratic reduction of production and consumption as a solution to social-ecological crises.[2] "

Giving the first sentence this would lead to a smaller GDP. We see the results of a stagnating GDP in Germany and UK and democratically people don't like it.

Re: Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, and an EU Open-Source Strategy

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Post by schnitzelstoat »

snowpid wrote: post #51
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #4

I'm cautiously optimistic. The Cloud and AI Development Act looks especially interesting: --- # Capacity * at least tripling the EU’s data centre capacity within the next 5–7 years; * simplifying and accelerating permitting and deployment of data centres; * improving access to key resources such as energy, land, water and financing; ensuring sufficient computing capacity to support AI, cloud services and data-intensi…

Degrowth was only popular in Germany, UK and Spain. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/no-solid-scientific-basis-deg... Germany and UK follow a the no growth and it is very unpopular. Spain's economy gives a shit and grows.

Spain's economy grows but unemployment is still a massive problem because the main industries are seasonal, low-paid agricultural and hospitality work. To switch to a high-tech, high value-add economy would requires deep changes that would be painful for many voters.

The current government still plans to close all the nuclear reactors, it's still hard to get permission for construction (leading to a massive housing crisis despite having a surplus of housing in 2007, before the crisis).

That said, degrowth only seems to be a popular view among the leftist elite and I'm sure that once the consequences start to bite (we had a blackout in Spain, the energy prices are incredibly high in the UK and Germany - leading to a loss of jobs as factories close) then the electorate will profoundly reject this ideology.

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