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Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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I edited my post after verifying the actual bytes, it turned out to be slightly more complicated.

The double-encoding path gets you there too: the original UTF-8 \xE2 \x80 \x99 mis-decoded as iso-8859-1 or Windows-1252 and saved back as UTF-8 gives \xC3 \xA2 \xC2 \x80 \xC2 \x99, which in Windows-1252 renders as ’. A WYSIWYG cleanup replacing that mojibake with the Windows-1252 ' (byte 0x92) and saving back as UTF-8 gets you to \xC2 \x92 on disk. Edit: Although maybe that's not the most parsimonious explanati…

In my post the sequence is:

1. Mis-transcode Windows-1252 as ISO 8859-1 to UTF-8.

2. Mis-decode UTF-8 as Windows-1252.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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The aircraft is 1 year old and was delivered in January... But, fucking hell, apparently Boeing "engineers" are so dumb they never learned about Murphy's law.

I bet you would blame the automotive engineers too after reversing your car through the garage door.

You mean like the death of Anton Yelchin, where poor gearshift design made it incredibly easy to confuse whether the car was in gear or in park?

Yeah, that is indeed primarily on the engineers.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

There may have also been additional ground crew on board the plane for changeover duties (cleaners, catering staff, etc)

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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The aircraft is 1 year old and was delivered in January... But, fucking hell, apparently Boeing "engineers" are so dumb they never learned about Murphy's law.

I bet you would blame the automotive engineers too after reversing your car through the garage door.

Grandparent post:

> There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989

> Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

I'm commenting on the genius of this design. Even if yesterday's accident isn't due to this design, how dumb can you be to design something like that, it's what Murphy's Law says to not do.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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I duckduckgo'ed "nose gear collapse" earlier and it seems it may be an issue that's more common than expected? At least there were lots of images of airplanes with broken front wheels and the nose touching the floor.

This is a joke about "The Front Fell Off", a classic comedy video from a few decades ago.

Here is it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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post #29

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From 787 wikipedia page: "On June 12, 2025, Air India Flight 171, an 11-year-old Boeing 787-8 registered as VT-ANB[398] operating from Ahmedabad Airport to London Gatwick Airport, crashed into the hostel building of B. J. Medical College shortly after takeoff. According to the preliminary Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau report released on July 8, 2025, the crash was caused by both engines shutting down after t…

That has not been determined to have been an engineering defect.

Fun fact: Neither of the 737 Max 8 MCAS crashes were determined to be an engineering defect either.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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So a plane which has withstood probably countless landings, had its nose gear collapse while sitting statically at a gate of all times and places? Weird.

There's a story that during the testing of a fighter plane - I think the F-35 but not sure - the "developers" claimed the new computer systems made most pilot errors all but impossible. QA engineer's first check was, what happens if I try and retract the wheels while the plane is sitting on the ground and not moving. Oops.

There are plenty of older planes with "retract wheels automatically when airborne" buttons that work by detecting a reduction in pressure on the wheels. There are also plenty of runways with slight bumps in them. The two do not work well together.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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post #19

Same thing happened to British Airways a few years ago on a 787, a misplaced security pin that was inserted in the wrong place during a maintenance operation. There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989 Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

The aircraft is 1 year old and was delivered in January... But, fucking hell, apparently Boeing "engineers" are so dumb they never learned about Murphy's law.

I’d be far more likely to suspect Boeing’s management for pushing unsafe schedule or staffing and having things slip through the cracks. They have a reputation.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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post #61

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I think the report says they just put a little cover on the hole where the pin shouldn't go (but can).

Sure, but they probably took 3 years to have a design review, an executive review, some firings and layoffs, re-hire, orientation, a sprint planning meeting, a sprint retro, a post mortem, an OKR meeting, a KPI meeting, an all-hands, and then the cover probably got stuck in customs with tariffs, and then the tolerances probably weren't correct. Meanwhile the sharpie would take 1 minute.

> Meanwhile the sharpie would take 1 minute.

And eventually be missed/ignored by a rushed ground tech and fail again.

Other than making it easier to blame someone, labeling is just a short term interim fix for such things. You design it to be physically impossible or as close to that as possible.

Been there, done that in much less high stakes environments. Upping the training, documentation, and labeling simply makes the mistakes happen less often for a physical process obviously prone to a common mistake.

Sure as an immediate airworthiness directive giant bright lettering is a great immediate “this month” fix. Certainly not a permanent one though.

If you make a hole multiple things can be fit into, eventually someone will try.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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That has not been determined to have been an engineering defect.

Fun fact: Neither of the 737 Max 8 MCAS crashes were determined to be an engineering defect either.

Neither of those were caused by moving both fuel control switches to “off” during takeoff.
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