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Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

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Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#71

I wish I didn't have any scruples, I'd be so rich.

I have a running tally of job offers that paid crazy money but I did not do because they were unethical

Every spiritual tradition on the planet rejects material wealth as undignified and immoral

https://genius.com/Wayne-wade-poor-and-humble-lyrics

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#73

For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4 (NLT), circa 65 Anno Domini

"Time is coming"? Pretty sure this always happened

It’s a pretty old quote

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#74

I can already think of 5 jobs this doesn't apply to in the slightest.

These are "ways to get paid", but "jobs" implicitly may or may not be relevant to the topic. If there's no game, politics, or sales aspect whatsoever, which is rarely but not never the case, then it's kind of irrelevant.

>These are "ways to get paid"

The link literally says "There are three ways to make a living."

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author never told us what happens when one lies to those who seek the truth... is that on a different plane of reference?

That earns you a special position as one of a pair of guards in a labyrinth with two doors, one of which leads to freedom and the other to... ba-ba-ba-bum - certain death.

> … ba-ba-ba-bum - certain death

ftfy

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#76
post #58

When I was a dev working with my business-oriented business partner, I had to get used to sitting in meetings where we promised the client the world having no idea if I could accomplish it or not. Made a lot more money than I could have on my own. "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say 'YES'!!"

This is often the advice given by senior folks and I think it is somewhat similar to say that you have to "lie a bit on your CV". Still, I always wonder what would I do if I make these big promises to clients/bosses/management and I fail to deliver. Wouldn't that be worse than having said "no, I won't be able to make it in time" from the beginning?

For context, I'm early in my career (3 YOE) and I don't deal with management that much yet (I'm still shielded by my tech lead and PM), so I'm always looking for advice on how to navigate these things. I really can't just say "YES, YES, YES" when I know *very well* that something won't be possible.

Maybe it is just a sign of being too junior?

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#77

There's also good money to be made telling people what they already know, usually in the form of a report and/or powerpoint deck

Ah, but you only tell them the things they already know and want to hear.

That filter is crucial in any kind of advisory/consulting work. You're there to confirm biases, in 95% of the cases.

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#78
post #25

There's got to be a variant that is a 2x2 matrix of this: Lie to others, lie to yourself (spiral together; either fantastically poor or spectacularly rich) Lie to others, tell yourself the truth (manipulation, morally broke, but materially rich) Tell others the truth, tell yourself the truth (integrity, barely scrape by) Tell others the truth, lie to yourself (be used by the system, usually end up poorly)

It's not really a rule of thumb that "Tell others the truth, tell yourself the truth" means you have to barely scrape by. Plenty of people make good money that way.

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Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#79

There's got to be a variant that is a 2x2 matrix of this: Lie to others, lie to yourself (spiral together; either fantastically poor or spectacularly rich) Lie to others, tell yourself the truth (manipulation, morally broke, but materially rich) Tell others the truth, tell yourself the truth (integrity, barely scrape by) Tell others the truth, lie to yourself (be used by the system, usually end up poorly)

Love it! https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/c85ca76f-bff7-4ff4-87e7-3...

Re: Three Ways to Get Paid (2018)

#80
post #58

When I was a dev working with my business-oriented business partner, I had to get used to sitting in meetings where we promised the client the world having no idea if I could accomplish it or not. Made a lot more money than I could have on my own. "Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say 'YES'!!"

This is often the advice given by senior folks and I think it is somewhat similar to say that you have to "lie a bit on your CV". Still, I always wonder what would I do if I make these big promises to clients/bosses/management and I fail to deliver. Wouldn't that be worse than having said "no, I won't be able to make it in time" from the beginning? For context, I'm early in my career (3 YOE) and I don't deal with man…

Nobody wants to hear "no". The way you say "no" without saying it is by turning "no" into an option, and attaching costs to options.

"no, I won't be able to make it in time" would be "I can confidently deliver in time if I have X, and we save Y and Z for later."

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