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Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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Why is there a billion people in India if these conditions exist? It has less space than USA and almost triple the population. Its never made sense to me why the birthrate was so high in countries with deadly living conditions, meanwhile the population in the United States with excellent conditions is declining.

> Why is there a billion people in India if these conditions exist?

Not to be crude, but this should be obvious. Similar to many poor areas anywhere in the world, but what else do you do all day hiding indoors (due to violence, poverty, et al) for entertainment, with very limited income? Physical intimacy is fun.

It's also partly because the society is agrarian by population, culture, and education. This is born out by behavioral signals "Despite high awareness (over 99%), access and choice remain challenges, with only 56.5% of married women using modern contraception according to NFHS-5 (2019-21)" - Children are a support system and a labor font. Growing wealth by growing a family is a historically successful pattern (albeit not a guarantee).

> Its never made sense to me why the birthrate was so high in countries with these hostile conditions, meanwhile the population in the United States with excellent conditions is declining.

What do humans do all day with all the creature comforts and an expectation they will always have them to some degree? They have less children in trade for better income, investment, and comfort. Industrial nations have been tracking this for decades.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

What are you quoting?

I assume an imaginary but very real and typical climate change denier.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

True that it’s a few in a global sense but it’s almost every user of this website surely, the vast majority of whom will continue to “break the world” so to speak which makes this less a lament and more a boast.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#74
Lots of chatter about global warming / climate change in the thread, but that's not what the piece is actually about per se?

> They have lived with heat for generations. What worries researchers is not that the district is hot, but that it is becoming hotter, for longer, in a landscape losing the trees and water that once helped keep temperatures in check.

So there are two base claims, and then another building on top:

- the pattern in which the heat exhibits has changed / is changing, not the "amount of heat" so to speak (temperatures have always been about this miserably hot there)

- the developments in the area have changed the landscape significantly over the years (a change in vegetation coverage and infrastructure)

- that the latter is causing the former (and implying that if it was undone, this phenomenon would also resolve)

A half-hearted "search" "confirmed" to me the developments and the change in landscape plenty convincingly enough, but not the heat pattern changes (data access troubles). It'd seem to me that just like the locals report, this year is exceptional. The correlation between the amount of overall landscape change and the heat pattern changes further seem rather loose, although I'm sure the relationship is nonlinear.

Even aside from that though, the conclusion doesn't automatically hold up. It's entirely believable, as the phenomenon itself is well established afaik, but that's not the same as it being correct in this case. I guess such an analysis would be research paper material though, not a BBC news article, so maybe my expectations are a bit misplaced.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

I certainly agree that the powerful elites bear a disproportionate share of the guilt for the harm they have caused. But I also believe that much of what's going on in the world isn't solely their fault and is also in many ways an emergent behavior. We are all like ants in an ant mill. Each of us is doing the things that locally make sense for us (even taking into account our desires to take care of the earth!), but…

> We are all like ants in an ant mill. Each of us is doing the things that locally make sense for us

Easily lead by chemtrails, yes - but it is a fact that some individuals have disproportionately more influence over "local zeitgeist" than others.

As a brief recap; the atmosphere become a greater and greater insulating blanket as a direct result of human use of fossil fuels was solid science as far back as 1967 [0] and the larger more influential nations of the world accepted that finding and discussed actions in the 1970s [1].

Since that time there's been a near non stop flood of FUD about the inevitable effect of rising CO2 that has been pushed out by the likes of the Koch brothers (now just one), Christopher Monckton, and many others directly benefitting from fossil fuel industry.

People in middle North America rolling coal and spitting on public transport projects have had their worldview been shaped by media crafted by think tanks with a mandate to obscure cold(?) reality and that lifestyle has set as aspirational to the world.

[0] Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Given Distribution of Relative Humidity - Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 24 Issue 3 (1967) https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/atsc/24/3/1520-04...

[1] eg: United Nations Conference on the Human Environment Stockholm, Sweden, June 1972.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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post #62
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"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

Humanity is a blip in Earth's history. We'll be a historical curiosity to whatever comes next just like the dinosaurs are to us.

History will forget effectively all of us, so that’s comforting.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

#79

> But what made this summer's episode unusual was its persistence. But, but—it's not summer in the Nothern Hemisphere yet.

I know people who insist that the seasons start on the first of March/June/September/December. It makes no sense from the perspective of the Earth's orientation toward the sun (astronomical seasons), but apparently "meteorological seasons" are a thing, and people go by them.

Re: Mornings and nights no longer exist at 47C: A day in the hottest place in India

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post #62
post #2

"But global warming is a hoax. And even if it wasn't it's not our fault. People couldn't be the cause. And even if it is our fault there's nothing we could do about it." We have broken our world for the greed of a few. History will not be kind to us.

Humanity is a blip in Earth's history. We'll be a historical curiosity to whatever comes next just like the dinosaurs are to us.

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