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Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

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In one of the essays posted here, which was, ironically, about AI in education, a sentence, that an AI could not possibly write, that I could possibly write, because of its length and unusual structure, before finally reaching the verb, went on for 25 words. I don't know if it was written that way to show trust in the reader's intelligence, show disregard for reaching a wide audience, show a demonstration of skill, o…

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Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

#72

In one of the essays posted here, which was, ironically, about AI in education, a sentence, that an AI could not possibly write, that I could possibly write, because of its length and unusual structure, before finally reaching the verb, went on for 25 words. I don't know if it was written that way to show trust in the reader's intelligence, show disregard for reaching a wide audience, show a demonstration of skill, o…

The robot can be made to write any such thing

In the interest of not occupying significant page/screen height with LLM output, example prompts+responses here: https://dpaste.com/H9DXKNYQH.txt

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

#73

I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.

It's like knowing to stay away from a Github repo because it has a readme that's full of emoji bullet points.

I thought I was the only one that did this. Double stay away if at the end you find out it was "made with love"

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

#74

I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.

I don't think so at all. Models are trained in many ways and are changing aggressively, resulting in different patterns in different regions, domains, languages, and will be different 3, 5, 10 years down the line. Having everyone try to learn and adapt around how to stay within very magical, fuzzy, and ever-changing boundaries to avoid appearing to be an AI, instead of focusing on producing good writing or communicating as it is natural to them, seems like a recipe for bad thinking and arbitrary reactions.

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

#75

I like that these AI idioms exist. They're like watermarks for text. It's worth the cost of humans avoiding them. Companies will eventually train their models to be undetectable, but society would be better if they didn't.

Humans are just trying to do what Pangram is trying to do: guess what is AI, badly. The post argues against this: > In the end, shaming people for writing that gets flagged as AI can lead people to sidestep structures the model has learned from us: structures that are effective tools for argumentation. We take the tools of critical thinking out of the kit at the time we most need them.

This is my position with this stuff. It became part of the LLM loop because it’s used a lot- it’s used a lot because it’s effective.

Now we’re going to stop using effective rhetorical methods because they imply AI, even if we know we’re not using AI?

It reminds me of, as a teenager, asking my dad if he ever saw Led Zeppelin live. He hadn’t, because he didn’t really like fans of Led Zeppelin and didn’t want to be associated with them.

As an ashamed fan of certain bands I get this instinct but I also promised to myself when I heard this that I would do my best to not allow other people to influence how I thought about things I enjoyed.

On the same note I’m trying to be “braver” about things like em-dashes, though my personally style has always been to use them as I did in this comment- like this, which I guess distinguishes me, until an LLM picks that up too…

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

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Clearly humans always type "it's not merely X, but also Y"

In my experience, and as someone who has technically been a professional copy editor before (in the sense that I got paid by someone to perform line/copy editing of some material or other, but definitely not who or what you would think if I only said I used to be a copy editor), the uses of "not only, but also" that didn't have anything wrong with them (or didn't deviate from convention, if you like) were in the minority by far. Assuming people in the last few years haven't all become suddenly interested in that particular construction and skilled in its use, the presence of an improperly implemented NOBA should remain vaguely reliable as an indicator of authenticity :D

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

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post #27

> Recent overuse by language models has led many to declare it bad writing. I'm not so sure. It is bad writing.

Always? There's never a place for it?

Not always or inherently, I would say, but if you can't help consciously noticing how much a piece uses tricolons, or negative parallel constructions, or dashes offsetting punchy clauses at the ends of sentences, then the style has probably become what you might call overseasoned

Re: It's Not Just X. It's Y

#80
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Another bunch of dead give aways in code bases with READMEs is the repetitive: - "No X, No Y, No Z." pattern - "Here is X - it makes Y" The worst and most obvious one is the constant over use of emoji ticks and crosses.

Alternatively, no one sounds like an llm, an llm sounds like someone, typically those close to the median of the training corpus. If AI were genuinly capable of novelty, it would be a big deal, tech bros having enough work ethic to design new detectable prose for an llm is a mssive reach and has no real evidence supporting it, else why do tech bros only tackle the easier issues? Things we have massive well labelled c…

Show me a single substantial (5000+ words) piece of writing from before the release of GPT-3 that triggers Pangram with high confidence.
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