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Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by abnercoimbre »

Lord_Zero wrote: post #32
sph wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If selling software for money wasn’t such a pain in the arse I would put stuff on my website rather than itch.io It took me two weeks, plus sending IDs, incorporating an ltd, to get a license to sell software with Paddle. With itch I just need a paypal/stripe account.

I am going through this right now! I am provisionally approved and still waiting. Even worse I am going through SMS phone number verification with SMTP2GO. Apparently if you wanna send automated texts in America, you need a real phone number. And to not get immediately blocked, you need to fill out a form that goes to the major carriers for approval (like AT&T). And the form is not unlike Paddle's verification. You n…

> And the form is not unlike Paddle's verification. You need a company, EIN, samples of what your texts will look like. Massive pain.

In defense of Paddle (I use them for my own livelihood), they're on the hook for remitting sales taxes to ALL the governments where your customers might reside. They also manage customer disputes, chargebacks, refunds etc. I always redirect support emails to Paddle.net [0] which does the trick 99% of the time.

Stripe or PayPal are nothing like that. They're just payment platforms.

Since Paddle takes on so much liability, it seems reasonable to ask for a lot of initial paperwork from its sellers.

[0] https://paddle.net

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by ofalkaed »

dspillett wrote: post #52

> kiki is shareware. Now that is a blast from the past. Is much else distributed that way these days?

A fair amount of software follows the model but does not use the term, everytime I go on the play store to look for an app I encounter many that offer a free version with limited features.

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

ofalkaed wrote: post #72
dspillett wrote: post #52

> kiki is shareware. Now that is a blast from the past. Is much else distributed that way these days?

A fair amount of software follows the model but does not use the term, everytime I go on the play store to look for an app I encounter many that offer a free version with limited features.

The term doesn't make much sense anymore because we don't share software, we just download it from the source. The business model makes more sense than ever, though.

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by vyr »

hypersoar wrote: post #40

This is a tangent to this post, but... I happen to have a cat named Kiki who looks rather like the mascot for this project. Her health is failing, now. I just spent the night on my living room floor next to her. I'll, likely have to put her down, today. I might use this project to make a memorial page for her. https://ibb.co/7dRCnWrp https://ibb.co/1GWwDKLY

i'm so sorry. i went through that with one of my own recently. please make sure she knows she is loved.

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by klibertp »

sneak wrote: post #38

The design philosophy says you should be able to repair your own tools, but this is closed source proprietary software. Cute page, but does not walk the walk.

I'm not going to blame you _too_ much, since I had similar suspicion, but you could have (as I did) just downloaded the .zip file and examined the contents. In the shareware version, some things are probably missing (I think not all themes are there), but otherwise it's just a bunch of PHP files, no obfuscation or anything. The markup language is configured in a text file, and the parser for that file is just next to it. The configuration is used for configuring the markup parser, which is also present. And so on. It's not open-source only if your definition of OSS is "has to have a Github page".

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

dallen33 wrote: post #56

PHP was and still is the best.

I dunno, PHP seems to have a lot of foot-guns.

include $_GET[...], register_globals, magic quotes, extract($_REQUEST), weak comparisons, loose typing, eval, risky file upload defaults/patterns, preg_replace /e, dangerous deserialization gadget chains, path traversal into includes, and the whole "URLs can be file paths" abstraction...

PHP is basically "RCE-as-a-Service" as far as I'm concerned. Allowing a URL in any function that wanted a file path was an absolutely bone-headed design choice. They made `curl | php` a language feature.

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by ofalkaed »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #73
ofalkaed wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fair amount of software follows the model but does not use the term, everytime I go on the play store to look for an app I encounter many that offer a free version with limited features.

The term doesn't make much sense anymore because we don't share software, we just download it from the source. The business model makes more sense than ever, though.

Most of the shareware I got was downloaded from BBSes and the internet and even these central repositories that are the norm now are nothing new, in the 80s I went to a local BBS that was dedicated to shareware and in the 90s a handful of sites, and there was always the developer's site for the direct download but often they just linked you to one of the big repositories. The only shareware I can remember getting physically was the stuff that came on a disk/cd with some magazine I bought just for the CD filled with shareware. I miss those CDs.

For as long as I can remember shareware was more than the physical sharing, it was the model of a free version that you could share and a paid version and sometimes both versions were the same and it was just requested that you pay if you can (buy me a coffee). Some of this shareware was even adware, I remember getting some drawing program that had a popup every 15 minutes advertising the author's programs, it would go away if you paid; my first "hack" was realizing that I could start the program and then turn the computers date back a day giving me 24 hours and 15 minutes before the popup appeared, after a couple weeks my mom tasked me with fixing the computer, she was having to reset the date every couple days for some reason.

Edit: deleted a comment about source code, realize I misread your post. Should try to fix a couple of those sentences as well, my language skills tend to fall apart when I get nostalgic and I find it very difficult to restructure the thought, I lose the nostalgia.

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by vga256 »

markandrewj wrote: post #75

Hello, neat project. I am also from Edmonton area. I wonder if we have talked previously, in the the late 90s I ran a local BBS system with my colleague.

I very possibly would have dialed into your BBS in the late 90s :)

403 had some great local boards, of both the public domain and piratey kind!

Re: Kiki – a tiny homepage construction kit with a small footprint

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Post by kjs3 »

brettermeier wrote: post #36
kjs3 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Troll trots out the old "You should only be allowed the web site aesthetic I approve of and anyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid!" and is shocked that not everyone on HN appreciates their insightful genius.

Some things are a standard, and thats a good thing... Line lenghts discussed here for example: https://baymard.com/blog/line-length-readability

Sorry...I'm too busy laughing at the idea of "there is one canonical 'standard' for anything in web UX that everyone agrees with" to google up one (or a dozen) websites that disagree with the undoubtedly fine folks at the Baymard Institute.
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