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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by dawnerd »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Pretty easy to tell depending what the code is. GPT follows this pattern is using maybe_something and using uppercase constants by default. Claude is a little more natural but tends to include more fallbacks than gpt5.5

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Post by grayhatter »

jnovek wrote: post #37
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

I can’t tell the difference between code written in vim or vs code but it matters substantially to the person writing the code. There’s stuff beyond just the output that goes into tool choice.

I'd bet I could tell with a result somewhat better than random chance.

While there is no meaningful difference in the ability to write code, vim has earned it's reputation for having a learning curve. I'd argue that predisposition, that requirement for additional investment energy will bias the results towards attention to detail, and pure minimalism.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by brianwawok »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #28
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Claude has an "End Conversation" tool that it can trigger on it's own, forcing your interaction to a close based on it's own feelings towards the conversation. I have no idea how this wasn't the end of Anthropic's positive public perception.

Luckily this doesn’t come up while writing code. It tends to be if you are chatting it up in friend mode, and ask for a bomb recipe.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by illwrks »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Modern Tupperware party. 100% agree! That’s the best framing I’ve heard in a long time!

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Post by theshackleford »

oofbey wrote: post #16
grodes wrote: post #3

codex gtp-5.5 is far superior to opus 4.7 working on large projects

GPT 5.5 still invents facts rather than looking them up, and manages to come across both as condescending and sycophantic. It feels like talking to a used car salesman.

> GPT 5.5 still invents facts rather than looking them up

So does Claude, what’s your point?

I used it and ChatGPT this week in trying to assist troubleshooting a complex DB related issue and Claude had to apologise no less than three times in which it admitted to talking complete shit.

Just one example of the kind of shit it dribbled:

> I need to be upfront with you. I should not have claimed X as if I knew that for a fact. That was overreach on my part.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by patmorgan23 »

bayindirh wrote: post #14
meowface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT-5.5 is the better programmer but Opus 4.8 remains the better system architect and product designer. Codex is very "miss the forest for the trees", but is much better at successfully making large changes in large codebases. Claude Code makes more mistakes, but has more taste and a better grasp on idiomatic and elegant software development. If you can afford to, I recommend juggling both.

I find arguing that a complex weighted graph has a taste is interesting. This is not a jab, but a genuine curiosity of mine.

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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by PedroBatista »

I get the feeling this also means AI works very well for the general coding tasks and that's their biggest success in terms of difficulty AND people paying for it.

Of course every AI company has been over promising and pumping the numbers as much as possible but OpenAI has been hitting the reality wall more because both their people not being able to keep improving at a faster rate and their whole cost structure and financial plates spinning.

This doesn't invalidate the fact Anthropic is also overhyped to the max for their IPO.

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Post by felixgallo »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

Sam Altman is so cartoonishly, over-the-top sociopathically shady that he makes JD Vance look like Benjamin Franklin. I mean, honestly, tricking third world people into retinal scans in order to get a scam crypto coin? Anyone using OpenAI for anything at this point should pause and examine their ethical compass.

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Post by nicechianti »

amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

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