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Re: The YC VC Program

#71
Really interesting change.

Not sure what metrics YC collects on each of its cohorts, but if "Cycle Length" and "Total Cycles" are two of them (i.e. end-to-end time through build-measure-learn loop), then it would be valuable to see if January's teams deviate, in a meaningful way, from the established average and mean.

Hypothetically, you'd think that "Cycle Length" would decrease as less cash in hand forces teams without product-market fit to tap into higher gear (or sustain that same high level of output), rather than spend valuable attention wondering about how to get a piece of the "carcass" should things crash and burn. Total cycles would then move up and to the right, as teams get a few more in near the end of their runway.

That said, there are at least two additional potentialities.

1. "Cycle Length" and "Total Cycles" are already running along their respective natural asymptotes.

Consequence(s): A. Awesomely cool discovery re: limits of productivity! B. The number of founders able to remain highly productive while simultaneously squabbling (and providing PG w/ massive headaches) decreases.

2. The "Starting Date" for raising an additional round of financing shifts to the left (i.e. becomes earlier). With less cash in the bank, and hence a shorter runway, the average starting date for teams w/o product-market fit to begin seriously committing time to fundraising shifts "earlier".

Consequence(s): A. If more time fundraising = less time building, then the average total output of a team, in the 12 months post-YC, could decrease.

Mitigation: Personal access to the best VCs in the world could mean that the length of a "Funding Cycle" (i.e. total time spent raising a round) decreases, thus offsetting consequence 2a.

It'd be great if these numbers were something YC actually collected. If there's a science to building companies, you could certainly glean great insight from those digits.

Re: The YC VC Program

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$150K is not enough to secure H1B visas either.

Yup, the first thing I thought when I read this: I hope this doesn't end up hurting non-resident applicants to YC. The "prevailing wages" for an engineering position (the minimum salary the company can pay an engineer on a H1B visa) in CA are about $75K. This means that there is almost no leeway even if only one of the founders needs an H1B: this funding alone would not cover it. YC is very aware and supportive of im…

Question - do you need the $75k lump sum, or just the pro-rata per month? its only ~6k/month salary per fte, of course depending on the runway...

Re: The YC VC Program

#74
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I get why it's great for investors, but why is it great for founders? Especially when they could use the time to change plans.

The office hours help all the startups. Decreasing the amount invested helps the successful and borderline startups because it means less of our time is taken up mediating founder disputes in the ones that are exploding. And yes, that was a significant time suck; Jessica says the majority of her time last batch was spent dealing with founder breakups.

PG how much of this attributable to $150k being too much money? Wasn't the last batch the largest by significant margin? Is it not expected that there will be more failure and therefore more demand on partner time as batch size increases?

In another comment, you mention founders scrapping over the carcass of their failed startups; what is it exactly they're fighting over? Surely the money has run out and anything left should be returned to investors in good faith? Are they fighting over Cinema Displays, Aeron chairs, etc, and by reducing the amount of the note you're reducing the amount of accoutrements these fledgling startups accumulate, and thus can fight over in the event of failure?

Re: The YC VC Program

#75
Another way to fix the founder breakup problem is to have a pre-nup with a few menu options.

Require founders to choose and sign on to prior to receiving any of the $150K (or maybe prior to acceptance to YC).

Re: The YC VC Program

#76
YC is perhaps the most innovative angel/accelerator/VC firm in the planet. Despite all the success the firm has had, it is still acting like a startup -- constantly questioning, experimenting, tinkering, and gradually optimizing via careful trial-and-error, based on the real-world results achieved with each batch of companies. Clearly, it's run by hackers.

Re: The YC VC Program

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What kind of messy things happen with 150k that don't happen with 80k?

It's a matter of degree. In the old days, when a startup fell apart, the founders would just go their separate ways. When every startup got $150k, sometimes they'd end up fighting over the carcass instead. Our hope is that now they'll fight half as hard.

I would have assumed that the startups would pay whatever they had left of the $150k if they were folding?

Or are you referring to cases where at least one founder wants to continue?

Re: The YC VC Program

#78

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$80k would also be hard to do in SF for Americans. I think YC should do something around the Google Fiber initiative in KC - there's already a startup community congealing around the fiberhoods that have already gone live, and you can make it at least 1.5 to 2 years in KC on $80k, given the ridiculously low cost of living compared to SF.

But then you'd have to live in Kansas City, not the Bay Area, where all the investors and talent are. There are many parts of the Bay Area less expensive than SF proper.

That's why I'm saying that YC should take the first step, since it has the power to make a startup community in KC a real thing.

I also think that having the entire tech community concentrated in the Bay Area is a bad thing. It leads to mental inbreeding and a narrow perspective.

Re: The YC VC Program

#79
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

people often switch ideas in the middle of YC, so there are more than a few who get up on stage with just a couple week's worth of work (if even that). By ugly ducklings in this case he means ideas that may not yet be fully fleshed out or well understood - he's making no statement about the teams themselves, which is what the selection process "solves."

It's worth noting that in the original story of The Ugly Duckling, the "ugly duckling" is actually a cygnet (baby swan) that looks out of place next to the ducklings it grows up with, and that no one respects until it grows into a beautiful swan. So an ugly duckling would be an idea that will turn out very well even if it looks a little dubious at the beginning.

link > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ugly_Duckling

Re: The YC VC Program

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YC is perhaps the most innovative angel/accelerator/VC firm in the planet. Despite all the success the firm has had, it is still acting like a startup -- constantly questioning, experimenting, tinkering, and gradually optimizing via careful trial-and-error, based on the real-world results achieved with each batch of companies. Clearly, it's run by hackers.

I think this change is a definite plus, but I disagree this sort of change is startup-specific.

Trying new things is just how you're supposed to build a company, at least when you care for the long term rather than next quarter.

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