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EV Stupidity Checklist

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Post by switchbak »

jbm wrote: post #27

Please eliminate the glass roof. Why do EV companies keep making this customer hostile decision? On my 2019 Model 3, a stress fracture showed up overnight and everytime I look up I see a 3000$ fix for a car that is worth 10k max. I have no idea who wants it. It is hot in the summer, cold in the winter and you can have a sudden bill related to a rock on the street. Somehow everyone, from Tesla to Ferrari has this insa…

They can't afford buttons in the console, yet they can afford a massive piece of useless glass. Sometimes I think we're not getting the real story.

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Post by kva-gad-fly »

fastball wrote: post #35

I think this desire is reasonable, but also completely misses two of the main reasons Tesla did their "everything mediated thru the touch screen" in the first place (besides cost, which TFA mentions). 1. It allows for having "presets" for everything configurable in the car. If you've ever shared a Tesla, you understand this: the driver's seat adjusts itself to the right position, as does the HVAC, etc. Everything bei…

The presets on my mercedes and my mustang and my honda fit work quite fine, thank you.

And these touch screens are cute until a product manager wants to show their marginally questionable value to the universe by changing the UI, buttons, placement etc. and now you are searching for the crucial functionality that you forgot to set or check, after the last OTA update occurred, before you started moving, and are now careening down the highway at 60 miles an hour...

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Post by formerly_proven »

BeetleB wrote: post #36
Animats wrote: post #2

China has already mandated an end to retractable outside door handles and electrical inside door handles. That takes effect January 1, 2027. There were two major incidents where people could not get out and could not be rescued. The powered charger port door would make sense if there were robot chargers that used it. Tesla demoed that, but people disliked the snake robot approach. Technically, a snake robot is ideal…

> Rear view cameras are better than rear view mirrors. The field of view is better. Rear view cameras are useless when mud/rain get on them. Mirrors continue to work just fine. Try living in Seattle.

There are some good designs which prevent them from getting dirty. For example, Mercedes and VW put them in the rear badge and they're only exposed when needed.

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BeetleB wrote: post #43

I've been meaning to write a post entitled: Things you could do with cars that you can no longer do. The top of the list is "Maintain a constant (vent) fan speed". With all the EVs I've tested, if I want to get warm air on my face at a consistent speed ... it's just not possible. "Auto" is disabled, I've set the fan at a certain speed, and set it to blow only in the top vents. Dial up the temperature, and the fan spe…

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Post by stouset »

agd wrote: post #44
jbm wrote: post #27

Please eliminate the glass roof. Why do EV companies keep making this customer hostile decision? On my 2019 Model 3, a stress fracture showed up overnight and everytime I look up I see a 3000$ fix for a car that is worth 10k max. I have no idea who wants it. It is hot in the summer, cold in the winter and you can have a sudden bill related to a rock on the street. Somehow everyone, from Tesla to Ferrari has this insa…

I love panoramic sunroofs. Natural light makes the driving (and passenger) experience much more pleasant for me.

Where exactly do you think the light in vehicles without glass roofs is coming from?

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Post by pibaker »

> But electronic door mechanisms like these have also proven to be unreliable, and possibly dangerous.

"Possibly dangerous" is a vast understatement. There is an ongoing lawsuit claiming that a cybertruck's door stopped working after a crash, trapping three occupants who burned to death.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/piedmont-cybertruck-cr...

A very similar case in China was caught on camera. Car crashed, caught fire and the doors stopped working. At least in this incident everyone made it out alive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SweatyPalms/comments/1qwao0m/ev_dis...

Now go read Tesla’s own manual instructions on how to open doors when the power is off. There is no way I could reliably do it if the car just crashed and there is smoke filling the cabin. I don't know how any engineer could have thought this is safe to be put in a vehicle.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-AAD769C...

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC...

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Post by J37T3R »

I would add more robustness in the computer systems. Ideally separation of critical systems and niceties, and definitely manual ability to select A/B systems for when the inevitable bad update hits.

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Post by switchbak »

kva-gad-fly wrote: post #64

Oh my god!!! Physical on/off siwtches for lights. The number of times I would curse the EV I drove previously, when I saw a person in front with no lights on, or to signal a semi that it was safe for them to switch lanes....flashing the hi-beam sends exactly the wrong message. Another annoyance: these days, even low end cars have an `AUTO` setting for lights, that ensures that headlamps and rear tail lights come on w…

Every time I'd take my car to the shop they'd turn the lights off, and I find myself driving around in the dark with no lights on. Why does anyone want that? And we used to mandate "daytime running lights" in Canada, I didn't get the memo when we stop enforcing that.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

throwaway4PP wrote: post #7

I love the note regarding the rearview mirror being an actual, you know, mirror. A friend was teasing me the other day for using my mirrors while I backed up, ignoring the various screens and camera feeds dotting the dash. I reminded him that photons impinging my eyes reflected off the material world at the diffraction limit of the visible spectrum remain much higher fidelity than some shitty parts-bin screens. Plus…

friend was teasing me the other day for using my mirrors while I backed up

Good way to fail a drivers' test in a lot of places.

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Post by hdgvhicv »

yardstick wrote: post #69

There are some - albeit few - cars that tick most of this checklist. MZS5 EV[1] checks most except the physical buttons, which is a half tick. There’s some physical buttons for some important things, but could do better. The previous model of had more buttons but essentially the same checklist-wise. 1. https://mgmotor.com.au/pages/mg-s5-ev

My 2021 leaf passes all but the charger cap - which is an electronic release button on key or by the wheel (physical to close it)
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