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Post by Xmd5a »

stratos123 wrote: post #21
troosevelt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

Some of the reactions to this are slightly unfair because it looks like Justine (who I'm not familiar with) supported Moldbug in 2014 . It was only in around 2020 when Yarvin sold out, did a 180 in his views, and became a Trumpist; in the early 2010s, he would write long posts about how populism inevitably leads to fascism, any entity who wants power cannot ever be trusted with it, etc. His political views back then…

> Justine Tunney (Founder of OccupyWallSt.org)

Re: Social Animus

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Post by camgunz »

kelnos wrote: post #42
dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

This isn't an ego problem (though I think she may additionally have an ego problem). The author has espoused techno-fascist views (something she avoids actually mentioning in this post), and that seems to be the real reason why many people are uncomfortable working with her.

Like what?

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Post by nkrisc »

dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

> I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble.

Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job, and it has nothing to do with skill. It also kind of reads like they already know this about themself.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by zozbot234 »

nkrisc wrote: post #73
dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

> I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job, and it has nothing to do with skill. It also kind of reads like they already know this about themself.

> Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job

The blog post states quite clearly that this person has had regular employment in the past, which suggests they may be just as capable of it in the future. There are some bad optics in the post, but they have more to do with wanting to buy a home in SF and fly private aviation than whether OP can hold down a job.

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Post by tancop »

zozbot234 wrote: post #64
troosevelt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of examples in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46889008 eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46890435 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46892447 Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class (monarchy) runs everything. It's a pretty controversial take to support them from somebody who themselves has faced discrimination. I think Justine might be out of touch with people who…

> Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class ... runs everything. Plenty of people believe that, if perhaps only in a descriptive sense. Given the constraints of human social organization, it's just very difficult to not have a world where some kind of restricted social elite (that people may of course rotate in and out of, allowing for some kind of social mobility) is running things. Especially if we're even l…

> Even self-proclaimed anarchists have long acknowledged that 'the tyranny of structurelessness' is a thing

structure and hierarchy are two very different things. you can have elected leaders who manage the day to day problems and a popular vote on all the important issues. of course its hard to implement in practice but it is possible. the reasons our society is elitist are economic inequality and different social connections but they only have real power when the people cant decide directly. if there was a federal ballot prop system america would look very different

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Post by [deleted] »

nkrisc wrote: post #73
dreambuffer wrote: post #15

This post resonates with my situation very much, although I have not made even a tiny fraction of the contributions this person has. I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. That being said, and speaking from my own experience, one can develop ego problems…

> I think if a person like this is struggling to find work, but the donkeys who code my government's dysfunctional websites are all fully employed, it suggests the software industry is in very big trouble. Based solely on this blog post, I would question if this person would be capable of holding a regular job, and it has nothing to do with skill. It also kind of reads like they already know this about themself.

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Re: Social Animus

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Post by [deleted] »

palmotea wrote: post #60
austhrow743 wrote: post #50

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I didn’t get that they’re struggling to find work from the article. Did I miss something?

> I didn’t get that they’re struggling to find work from the article. Did I miss something? They're just struggling to buy "a home in San Francisco" and "travel around the world and experience the cosmopolitan lifestyle my project is named after, using only private aviation." Also this person apparently went from being part of Occupy Wall Street to being "inspired by the political views of Curtis Yarvin" ( https://en…

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Post by zozbot234 »

tancop wrote: post #75
zozbot234 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yarvin believes in a world where the upper class ... runs everything. Plenty of people believe that, if perhaps only in a descriptive sense. Given the constraints of human social organization, it's just very difficult to not have a world where some kind of restricted social elite (that people may of course rotate in and out of, allowing for some kind of social mobility) is running things. Especially if we're even l…

> Even self-proclaimed anarchists have long acknowledged that 'the tyranny of structurelessness' is a thing structure and hierarchy are two very different things. you can have elected leaders who manage the day to day problems and a popular vote on all the important issues. of course its hard to implement in practice but it is possible. the reasons our society is elitist are economic inequality and different social c…

A federal ballot prop system would be completely unworkable, which is why it was not made part of the Constitution. It would just increase opaque agenda-setting power compared to the present system, and the overall outcome would be even worse.

Re: Social Animus

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Post by tancop »

putting aside the politics and asking for money i also found this:

> I found a much easier answer for my own project, which has been to never accept anonymous contributions and to not merge a single line of code until the contributor sends an email promising to assign me copyright

i understand the anonymous contributions part even if i dont agree but how does assigning copyright make it easier to fight toxic people? the only reason you would ever do this instead of a cla is when you want the option to release the code as closed source. you cant revoke a open source license anyway

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