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Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by tardedmeme »

jgrahamc wrote: post #2

Wonderful! At the bottom he notes: "I’m sitting in the UK as I write this. Under UK law, I believe this should constitute fair dealing: the purpose is quotation for criticism and review, and this single screen capture is in no way an alternative to paying to see the original film. The film comes from the USA, and under USA law I think it similarly constitutes fair use: it’s for non-profit educational purposes, the am…

You should post on YouTube but blank out all the falsely strikable content and replace it with a pointer to your website. YouTube is necessary for discoverability.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by D13Fd »

computerdork wrote: post #20
s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

As someone in music, yeah, that was one of the best movie soundtrack’s of all time (not much like it in movies beforehand). But kind of disagree about the film, think it was under appreciated. It isn’t a masterpiece, but the acting, the overall story, and the visuals were really good. And yeah, those dark Tron-visuals combined with the pulsing, digital daft-punk music really worked (at least for me), and when I want…

Yeah I still rewatch it occasionally. I feel like it’s full of missed opportunities, and you have to shut your brain off, but it’s still good fun.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by 3RTB297 »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #50

$ login -n root Login incorrect login: backdoor No home directory specified in password file! Logging in with home=/ # I don't agree with the interpretation that Sam tried and failed to login as root, and THEN tried to login as a different user, backdoor. Because if that's what happened, shouldn't there be another $ prompt before he types `backdoor` and gets the #? It seems to me that's an unobfuscated password field…

At some point we all have to remember that the monitor showing these commands is also an actor, and not actually a computer hooked up to a special laser that scans your body, destroys it, and pulls you into a 1980's era computer still managing to have, per the screenshot in the blog post, about 4GB of memory free in some respect.

Same as how Garrett Hedlund is neither a youthful stock owner in a computer company, nor intrinsically knows Unix shell commands.

Re: Nitpicking the shell history scene in 'Tron: Legacy'

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Post by jakeydus »

s_dev wrote: post #6

As an aside the Daft Punk soundtrack that accompanies this film is an absolute masterpiece. I think it's their best work. It's such a shame the film doesn't live up to it's own soundtrack.

Yeah the movie’s got warts but if you allow for some plot holes and accept that young Flynn is completely 2D (maybe a meta joke for Tron? Nah just poor writing) the movie rips.

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Post by mikae1 »

jgrahamc wrote: post #2

Wonderful! At the bottom he notes: "I’m sitting in the UK as I write this. Under UK law, I believe this should constitute fair dealing: the purpose is quotation for criticism and review, and this single screen capture is in no way an alternative to paying to see the original film. The film comes from the USA, and under USA law I think it similarly constitutes fair use: it’s for non-profit educational purposes, the am…

You're lucky if that's right. In Sweden there's no fair use of imagery at all. "Citaträtten" (the right to quote) only covers words.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citatr%C3%A4tt

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Post by dahart »

socalgal2 wrote: post #51
greiskul wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commentary and criticism are by law protected as fair use. Why would revenue share be done "ideally"? News reporting is also covered under fair use, do you expect news organizations to pay for reporting on movies? Ideally fair use would be defended, it is the law of the land, and when a takedown notice was emitted maliciously, with known bad faith, the actor that did that would have to pay for the amount of time that…

I don't think those laws will last. They were written in the 70s before youtube. Ideally the law would allow the critique but recongize it's the IP drawing in the users, and sharing some of the revenue.

Fair use was common law with judicial precedents for a couple hundred years before it became a statutory law in 1976.

Why would fair use law go away? Fair use for the purpose of critique is maybe the best & most favored defense of fair use by the Copyright Office, and ties together necessary copyright exceptions for supporting Free Speech and journalism, among other good reasons. Things also seem to be moving in the opposite direction with recent precedent deeming some AI uses transformative fair use. YouTube has done more that it’s fair share of playing fast and loose with copyrights for a profit, but YouTube, and more broadly Google, depends on fair use for massive portions of their business. I don’t see fair use going anywhere anytime soon.

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Post by OhMeadhbh »

lol. I remember seeing LLLSDL go by when I originally saw the movie. The funny but is I had just written the internet draft for LLSD, so I was wondering g if someone on the writing staff had been following our work at Linden Lab. More likely it was a coincidence and all the L's meant "Laser."

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Post by Thom2000 »

aamar wrote: post #47
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #41

One of my favorite details of this movie is that the semi-antagonistic ENCOM executive Dillinger uses emacs [0], while Flynn uses vi. Clearly, the VFX artist who made the film's UNIX shells had a preference! (Dillinger is also shown running "ENCOM Linux" -- is the VFX artist a BSD user? As he cycles through his buffers, we see a split second of `hanoi-unix`; definitely not the type to pay attention during boring boar…

The artist, JT Nimoy, was an Emacs user but still thought it would be fun to set up a dichotomy--some fun details on this blog. A few more details were shared at a talk at an HN meetup several years ago. https://jtnimoy.cc/item.php%3Fhandle=14881671-tron-legacy.ht...

> The artist, JT Nimoy, was an Emacs user but still thought it would be fun to set up a dichotomy--some fun details on this blog

I don't see any details about setting up a dichotomy in that article (just that the author was a happy Emacs user). Or maybe that was in that HN meetup you mention?

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Post by utopiah »

scottlamb wrote: post #4

$ login -n root Login incorrect login: backdoor No home directory specified in password file! Logging in with home=/ # I think this is supposed to be something like CVE-1999-0113 (or its very recently discovered/disclosed friend CVE-2026-24061). It's the sort of thing you might just know off the top of your head that would be handy for getting into a computer that hasn't been updated in 20 years.

> something like CVE-1999-0113 (or its very recently discovered/disclosed friend CVE-2026-24061)

Interesting that you remember CVEs by ID and how they relate one to another. Do you know if they are visualization of CVEs? I'm wondering if that would help newcomers to security to get some memorable insights.

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Post by rgovostes »

mrandish wrote: post #46

The video tech one of my startups made was used to do "On-Set Video Playback" exactly like this for a bunch of movies and TV shows. We didn't make the product for that purpose and only learned this was a thing when a playback company contacted us asking for a change in the firmware to enable external synchronization to a 48fps source clock. Since it wasn't a difficult change and the use case was neat, we made a custo…

Great comment, thank you.

I have only seen The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011) once, but fifteen years on I distinctly remember a scene where Daniel Craig is trying to use a Mac and accidentally drags Safari off the Dock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W84AhBMRNOY#t=1m25s

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