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Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by blueblisters »

bluegatty wrote: post #64
t-3 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Iran has a ruthlessly oppressive regime, not even comparable to that of the US. Not comparable in domestic affairs... in foreign affairs the situation is reversed. US is by far the most violent, untrustworthy, and oppressive in the world, while Iran looks pretty peaceful and harmless in comparison.

No, this is hyperbole. Even with the terrible shenanigans of the last 1.5 years - the US is actually still the only thing that holds the world together. The reason it's hard to grasp is because we see 'horrible Trump regime' - and previous failures in Iraq but don't look at the underlying tectonic security foundation. DJT is Humpty Dumpty on a very entrenched wall. We live in a 'Post World War 2' system of relative p…

To the rest of the world, US aggression is perceived as oppressive and unilateral primarily because it’s a political act meant to further domestic political goals. All US administrations act in their own self interest, as they should.

But the US being the world’s cop was never going to be sustainable indefinitely. It was partly because of hegemonic power and partly because of a reluctance of wealthy democratic countries to seriously invest in their military when they could just “pay” someone else.

I don’t think anyone wants the pre world war 2 order. So we are likely going to see otherwise reluctant states step up militarily to protect their neighborhoods.

Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by emptysongglass »

dakolli wrote: post #65
bluegatty wrote: post #37

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"Don't fall for the trap where the US and Israel paints Iran as some authoritarian censor. The US is far more authoritarian" This is total delusion, honestly, it's why people in these systems will remain trapped for a long time. America has many problems but when people in places like Iran start on this bandwagon, it's evidence of inability to just weigh reality in the face of emotional rhetoric. Nobody is suggesting…

If you for some reason think Israel is less authoritarian than Iran, I really don't care to argue with you. They've been murdering tens of thousands of civilians and publishing videos of them bragging about it to the world. They film themselves firing machine guns into refugee camps and post it on their Instagram stories. As a US citizen I will go to prison for a decade for donating school supplies to a state ran sch…

Protesting against the US government in the streets will not get you shot in daylight. Protesting against the Iran government in the streets will get you shot in daylight or, worse, publicly hung.

Being gay will get you executed in Iran. Being gay in the US will not.

There is no comparison. You are not being serious.

Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by dnautics »

t-3 wrote: post #56
dnautics wrote: post #40

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> The iceberg the rest of the world is about to hit in the coming month or two is strategic reserves of crude oil as well as refined petroleum products (eg jet fuel, gasoline, diesel) being drained. It's not clear to me that the "world" will come down on Iran's side on this one. On the one hand you have a country that is perpetrating a violation of international norms by establishing a toll on the straight of hormuz…

> ho hum, everyone does this No, just US, Israel, and Russia.

china has recently invaded bhutan and the Philippines -- not to mention historically vietnam, north korea, and tibet, saudi arabia and uae (directly https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/saudi-arabia-laun...) participated in the attack on iran too, eritrea, ethiopia, sudan, congo, niger, Venezuela threatened guyana, Ukraine (understandably) invaded russia, though that turned out to be mostly pointless, armenia, azerbaijan...

Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by [deleted] »

jmyeet wrote: post #59
dnautics wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The iceberg the rest of the world is about to hit in the coming month or two is strategic reserves of crude oil as well as refined petroleum products (eg jet fuel, gasoline, diesel) being drained. It's not clear to me that the "world" will come down on Iran's side on this one. On the one hand you have a country that is perpetrating a violation of international norms by establishing a toll on the straight of hormuz…

The world already has come down on Iran's side. It's pretty much the US and Israel (and maybe the UAE) against the world. Trump has bemoaned the lack of international support. Use of bases and airpsace have been spotty. And this is only going to get worse once winter hits in Europe and people start seeing their electricity and heating bills. Asia (minus China and Japan) are the most vulnerable because they're almost…

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Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by dnautics »

jmyeet wrote: post #59
dnautics wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The iceberg the rest of the world is about to hit in the coming month or two is strategic reserves of crude oil as well as refined petroleum products (eg jet fuel, gasoline, diesel) being drained. It's not clear to me that the "world" will come down on Iran's side on this one. On the one hand you have a country that is perpetrating a violation of international norms by establishing a toll on the straight of hormuz…

The world already has come down on Iran's side. It's pretty much the US and Israel (and maybe the UAE) against the world. Trump has bemoaned the lack of international support. Use of bases and airpsace have been spotty. And this is only going to get worse once winter hits in Europe and people start seeing their electricity and heating bills. Asia (minus China and Japan) are the most vulnerable because they're almost…

we shall see

you see, the problem is this "unprovoked attack by the biggest bully on the planet" framing requires some sense of "international order" but thats a myth, always has been, and, now its being seen for what it is. in that world iran doesn't do so well, especially since the claims it makes (controlling the hormuz) depend on rejecting the international order. you cant have your cake and eat it too. im not saying its right or wrong, I'm saying it is what will be. countries will revert to self interest, and a hormuz controlled by iran is in no one's interest. well maybe it will be good for the environment, since co2 emissions will go down.

Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by t-3 »

dnautics wrote: post #73
t-3 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ho hum, everyone does this No, just US, Israel, and Russia.

china has recently invaded bhutan and the Philippines -- not to mention historically vietnam, north korea, and tibet, saudi arabia and uae (directly https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/saudi-arabia-laun... ) participated in the attack on iran too, eritrea, ethiopia, sudan, congo, niger, Venezuela threatened guyana, Ukraine (understandably) invaded russia, though that turned out to be mostly pointless, armenia,…

> china has recently invaded [...] the Philippines

Uh, when? I couldn't find any information suggesting that such a thing happened. Fishing rights and other minor maritime disputes don't make an invasion.

Re: Internet traffic in Iran increasing

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Post by fragmede »

zuzululu wrote: post #41

Any country watching Iran situation should take a way a few things: For one khamenei was known to be against nuclear weapons and was a sort of a peace keeper between hardliners leaning towards lifting sanctions but seems to have been forced into a lame duck through narratives inside and outside along with internal leaks. Two, its no longer possible to shut down the internet with Starlink. Those two were supposed to b…

Both Russia and Iran have figured out how to jam Starlink.

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Post by xiphias2 »

whatever1 wrote: post #45
zuzululu wrote: post #41

Any country watching Iran situation should take a way a few things: For one khamenei was known to be against nuclear weapons and was a sort of a peace keeper between hardliners leaning towards lifting sanctions but seems to have been forced into a lame duck through narratives inside and outside along with internal leaks. Two, its no longer possible to shut down the internet with Starlink. Those two were supposed to b…

I really thought that Russia would use such a device to end the war in Ukraine. Hopefully they will not.

It would not, but it's clearly not just a war with Ukraine.

Europe is sending the jet engines for the drones that are shooting Moscow, and Germany is very actively preparing for war with Russia.

It's not the first time in history that this has been done, and Russia still remembers.

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Post by soco »

xiphias2 wrote: post #78
whatever1 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really thought that Russia would use such a device to end the war in Ukraine. Hopefully they will not.

It would not, but it's clearly not just a war with Ukraine. Europe is sending the jet engines for the drones that are shooting Moscow, and Germany is very actively preparing for war with Russia. It's not the first time in history that this has been done, and Russia still remembers.

Then said Russia could withdraw their multinational troops, stop their international drones, and enjoy peace for the first time in their history.

Because Russian drones have European parts as well (and Chinese and and), and the army recruits are not only Russian either.

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Post by soco »

hollerith wrote: post #68
rayiner wrote: post #55

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> and that it's the fault of the US and others that Russia is so backwards and poor Why is Russia so backwards and poor? Russia and Iran are two countries that seem to way underperform their fundamentals.

A lot of it is because transportation is quite difficult. Even today huge tracts in Russia are without any roads. On the opposite end of the spectrum is the US, where even before the railroad and the automobile, transportation was quite easy, with navigable rivers flowing through the best farmland in the world. Another big piece is how easy it is to invade; how hard it is to defend. History records 50 invasions of Ru…

On the other hand, this doesn't explain why Poland, which was even wiped off the maps for a few times, has a GDP per capita almost twice of Russia, which wasn't really invaded much throughout more-or-less-recent history (au contrary).
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