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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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what's wild is they accidentally solved it — pretraining IS unsupervised learning at scale, RLHF IS reinforcement learning. they just didnt know the recipe yet

pretraining isn't unsupervised, it is self-supervised - meaning it is moderately more scale limited.

What would unsupervised mean, would unsupervised be something like alphago playing against itself trillions of times?

Whereas self-supervised, allows learning without explicit annotation of data ; but it doesn't matter if the models already trained on the entire Internet, and it's not like a game where it can come up with effectively new training data for itself?

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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> I think the non-profit has around 25% ownership of something that is around a trillion dollars of on-paper money. But the purpose of a non profit is not to maximise profit in a for profit investment. How well is non profit doing at furthering its goals? It formerly had the purpose of “safely” ensuring artificial intelligence benefits all of humanity. It looks like it gave up on that so its staff could be incredibly…

Frankly the non-profit has failed. OpenAI is one of the least open of the AI companies (Anthropic is a bit worse). If it wasn't for the labs in China the dream of an actual open ai system would be dead.

I feel like people don’t give OpenAI enough credit for the early papers they did publish. Those are what showed the way that everyone else has built on.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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If his entire personal diary got exposed and that's the worst that's in it, good for him.

How did the diary end up in the court files in the first place?

OpenAI themselves submitted the diary as evidence back in October.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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what's wild is they accidentally solved it — pretraining IS unsupervised learning at scale, RLHF IS reinforcement learning. they just didnt know the recipe yet

pretraining isn't unsupervised, it is self-supervised - meaning it is moderately more scale limited.

fair point — OpenAI's original plan literally said "solve unsupervised learning". the self-supervised distinction wasnt really standard til after BERT/GPT popularized it

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly the non-profit has failed. OpenAI is one of the least open of the AI companies (Anthropic is a bit worse). If it wasn't for the labs in China the dream of an actual open ai system would be dead.

I feel like people don’t give OpenAI enough credit for the early papers they did publish. Those are what showed the way that everyone else has built on.

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Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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> The answer is that they needed more money. isn't it still an odd choice for a nonprofit? it's hard to imagine a world without OpenAI and ChatGPT now, but at some point they decided being the best is most important. and presumably most profitable, since why just need a little more money?

Don't all nonprofits need more money to improve their sustainment?

Maybe, but somehow I doubt the American Heart Association is planning to open a chain of pork barbecue restaurants to support its mission against heart disease.

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If his entire personal diary got exposed and that's the worst that's in it, good for him.

Worse? There is nothing wrong with wanting 1B. Anybody who said they wouldn't want it is lying.

That level of personal wealth is inherently immoral and doesn’t *ever* happen without exploitation.

Re: Greg Brockman interview [video]

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I just don’t understand why a non-profit was allowed to do this. Does this not set a precedent that non-profit doesn’t actually mean anything? You can just use a favorable structure until it’s time to enrich yourself.

Most startups don't actually make profits and nonprofits can't give equity so it's not really a favorable structure.
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