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Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by embedding-shape »

iamnothere wrote: post #70
embedding-shape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who actually IS affected by this personally, I'd love to have any details from others affected too, not sure why this would be surprising.

You seem to be in this thread downplaying the seriousness of the problem using the common trope I quoted above. The thing is, even if someone isn’t personally affected, it’s still a bad situation that a football league has this kind of power over internet infrastructure, and it’s ok for them to oppose that situation!

I'm trying to understand the full scope of it, because I keep reading about how many websites don't work, and developer tooling that doesn't work, but then I sit here with a Spanish ISP and can only notice one going offline during games (Docker Hub), everything else I use on a daily basis keeps working. So I'm not downplaying, I'm trying to understand if the difference is truly so large between different ISPs, or if people just rely on completely different tooling, and if so, what are they using exactly?

Yes, I agree that it sucks and is terrible that the football league has so much power of internet infrastructure, especially when we're supposed to have free access to internet, that's in our constitution, and Spain also agreed as such when entering EU too, and many other reasons. That's a larger legal battle, one I'm personally not involved in, but I could take the time to actually understand what happens practically and the full scope, so I can at least note down exactly what went down at what time, so I can keep sending complaints about it.

But to truly understand, gather evidence and having any sort of chance of actually affecting this, you need to understand the full scope of it, outside of the piracy streams, the stuff that is getting blocked that shouldn't. A year ago I noticed a lot of that happening, but today not so much, so clearly it's different today, but still important to gather the full picture before you jump to conclusions.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by anonzzzies »

swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I do not say it is not true because too many cases pop up here, however, I live in Spain and so does my company and we had this 0 times. Provider dependent? We have domestic fiber in Malaga.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by luckylion »

embedding-shape wrote: post #47
nekzn wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m talking about the LIVG which sets different prison terms for men and women for the same crimes. Check articles 153, 171, and 172 of the Spanish Penal Code.

It is not a general "men and women get different prison terms for all the same crimes" rule, it applies to specific offences and specific relationship/victim categories. The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional. For the people following along at home, parent is talking about "Ley Orgánica 1/2004, de 28 de diciembre, de Medidas de Protección Integral contra la Viol…

I have no idea about that law in particular and no dog in that fight, but I find

> The Constitutional Court has also upheld it, meaning it's quite literally not unconstitutional.

a weak argument when stated that absolute. Constitutional Courts occasionally shift in their opinions over time. If they do change -- has the previous court violated the constitution? Or is the constitution flexible enough to hold opposite viewpoints without being violated? Doesn't it become very flimsy at that point?

I think a better wording would it is not currently considered to be unconstitutional. It might be in the future if the court changes. Naturally that only happens over longer periods of time as old judges die and are replaced with younger judges who were born in a different era and raised with different values.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by swiftcoder »

embedding-shape wrote: post #71
iamnothere wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be in this thread downplaying the seriousness of the problem using the common trope I quoted above. The thing is, even if someone isn’t personally affected, it’s still a bad situation that a football league has this kind of power over internet infrastructure, and it’s ok for them to oppose that situation!

I'm trying to understand the full scope of it, because I keep reading about how many websites don't work, and developer tooling that doesn't work, but then I sit here with a Spanish ISP and can only notice one going offline during games (Docker Hub), everything else I use on a daily basis keeps working. So I'm not downplaying, I'm trying to understand if the difference is truly so large between different ISPs, or if…

> only notice one going offline during games (Docker Hub)

Even if it only affected DockerHub, that's sufficient to break many modern developer workflows.

It is however not only DockerHub - as I mentioned upthread, GitHub and AWS are both routinely affected. I've also had npm and crates.io blocked at various times.

You may be getting lucky with how closely your particular ISP is adhering to the block requests, but others are less lucky.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by matheusmoreira »

picsao wrote: post #16
chadgpt3 wrote: post #13

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You can't sue a court in a court for doing court stuff. Courts are superuser. They can do anything they want to. The recourse is vetting people before they become judges.

This seems dysfunctional and a API for institutional subversion. If you can subvert the machinery that creates judges, you can basically take over a democracy without having any way to fix that except for institutional repair and waiting out the working lifespan of judges (which can be 1.5 generations)

This is exactly what happened in my country and several others.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by boston_clone »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

I wish people who state "you have to fight" also said how. The extreme majority of people has no fucking clue about how to act about anything, and it's definitely the biggest blocker.

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by wolvoleo »

anonzzzies wrote: post #72
swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I do not say it is not true because too many cases pop up here, however, I live in Spain and so does my company and we had this 0 times. Provider dependent? We have domestic fiber in Malaga.

Possibly. I'm on Orange fiber and I haven't noticed anything weird either.

However all my torrent traffic already goes through VPN and I don't watch football or any kind of live Spanish TV, I have zero interest in any sport.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by wolvoleo »

breppp wrote: post #61
ktallett wrote: post #6

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You mean other than Berlin, Malmö, Paris, London, Munich, and many others. Europe doesn't have so many huge companies but that's not a bad thing. We do have a lot of companies doing key work that may benefit society as a whole.

While there are outliers, most of the European economy is Spain rather than Sweden The European economy is still largely the same as pre-WW2, heavy machineries, cars, chemicals and these are becoming less relevant with Chinese competition. However, the move to tech never materialized like in the US, so no surprise when soccer becomes more important than anything else, it's the only long term viable export in bleak pl…

Tech is very present in Europe. We don't have that kind of ultra capitalist startup culture but when I see what comes out of that (meta, Google, Microsoft) I'm glad we don't. They're all companies that place profit over ethics..

We do have more sustainable efforts. Not as big but better.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by Symbiote »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #53
cobbzilla wrote: post #52

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i get it, it’s not the canonical “egg shape”, but many eggs (fish/frogs/etc) are spherical.

"Foot Fish-egg" would be pretty funny, I agree.

Foot-roe, or foot-spawn for amphibians.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by arielcostas »

embedding-shape wrote: post #45
dbbk wrote: post #44

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> Which IPs that you use daily are actually affected by this though? My own company would get taken down.

Maybe don't use Cloudflare in front of your business if you know that doing so will make it unavailable for 2-3 hours per week? These blocks been happening for years, if you're still letting you be affected, maybe you want to provide a poor service to your users? Most companies who used to use Cloudflare and actually want to be available to users, moved away a long time ago, it's a lot easier than many think.

Yeah, I'll let a company I don't do business with dictate who I actually do business with just because of their money interests. I don't like or use Cloudflare, I believe they are not good for the internet due to how centralised everything gets on them, and their blocking of non-mainstream setups (browser, OS, Javascript, no VPNs, no Tor and so on); but I'm not letting a football company say "we don't care about screwing you, we are blocking this"
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