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Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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Surprised this or malicious games and updates hasn't happened sooner.

I remember, ~20 years ago, there was some free Christmas elf game (Flash?) that went viral and everyone was playing it. Struck me as a perfect vector for malware, I was a little surprised that didn’t happen.

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

#72
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"drm is malware" is so 2005.

"We have to stop the nazis" is so 1940s. "Congress is engaged in a witch hunt" is so 1950s. "Civil rights should be applied to everyone" is so 1960s. "Fossil Fuels are destroying the plant" is so 1970s. "Unregulated free trade is dangerous" is so 1980s. "The police are out of control and unduly target minorities" is so 1990s. Something being old doesn't make it less relevant or important. It means we need to say it l…

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We have to stop the nazis" is so 1940s. "Congress is engaged in a witch hunt" is so 1950s. "Civil rights should be applied to everyone" is so 1960s. "Fossil Fuels are destroying the plant" is so 1970s. "Unregulated free trade is dangerous" is so 1980s. "The police are out of control and unduly target minorities" is so 1990s. Something being old doesn't make it less relevant or important. It means we need to say it l…

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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"rootkits are malware" is in fact eternal.

Usually when people complain about Denuvo, they're talking about Denuvo Anti-Tamper, which (perhaps surprisingly) is not a rootkit.

When people complain about denuvo rootkits they are complaining about denuvo anti-cheat, which is a rootkit.

Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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Well, Riot Games just today (!) admitted to hard-bricking cheating hardware [1]. This kind of stuff definitely is malware, and your comment aged like milk. [1] https://videocardz.com/newz/riot-games-on-valorant-dma-cheat...

It's not a hard-brick. Reinstalling Windows fixes it.

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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Where does it say Riot bricked anything? They referred to the cards as paperweights but they don't need to be bricked to be a paperweight, being useless to the cheater due to Vanguard protections is enough. They definitely didn't brick anyone's PC. > you can play league/valorant legitimately, be using dma for whatever else I don't think there's a way to check what memory a DMA card is accessing. I also don't see why…

> They referred to the cards as paperweights DMA cards are not $6k, so it is obvious that riot is not talking about the DMA card specifically. they are ~$300 - ~$700. the image they tweeted alongside was that of broken computers, not of broken DMA cards. i am not sure why riot would admit to bricking $6k PCs if they werent. that would also be exceptionally stupid. admittedly, the more i look into it, it appears the r…

> the image they tweeted alongside was that of broken computers, not of broken DMA cards.

Actually, the image they tweeted shows a ton of PCIe cards.

> DMA cards are not $6k

The ones shown in the image they tweeted are! ($5,800 USD -> https://www.heinodma.com/)

> reports are soft-bricking (i.e., requiring a complete wipe and reinstallation of the OS, not hard-bricking)

I still don't think anything is actually bricked. They are just enabling and enforcing IOMMU, HVCI, etc. which prevents them from using their DMA card to cheat. I'm sure they could restore functionality by removing Riot's games and anticheat, disabling IOMMU and HVCI, etc.

Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

#77
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Riot Games just today (!) admitted to hard-bricking cheating hardware [1]. This kind of stuff definitely is malware, and your comment aged like milk. [1] https://videocardz.com/newz/riot-games-on-valorant-dma-cheat...

It's not a hard-brick. Reinstalling Windows fixes it.

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Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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Games are an almost perfect type of software to be run in a sandbox. The question is, why aren't they already run in a sandbox?

They are? Games need pretty much all the performance they can possibly get. Can you sandbox them without having a performance impact? Consider that people pay a $300 premium to get ~10% better performance (buying an RTX 5080 instead of a 5070 Ti). Personally I know that sometimes closing the web browser in the background makes my game run better - that web browser doesn't even interact with the game! Would a sandbox…

> Can you sandbox them without having a performance impact?

On Linux certainly so, and I think if Steam is installed as a flatpak all games naturally are sandboxed.

Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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"drm is malware" is so 2005.

Well, Riot Games just today (!) admitted to hard-bricking cheating hardware [1]. This kind of stuff definitely is malware, and your comment aged like milk. [1] https://videocardz.com/newz/riot-games-on-valorant-dma-cheat...

Malware is deceitful, you're not aware of its presence. Anti-Cheat does what it's promises, and I've personally found Riot fairly transparent regarding Vanguard.

You don't have to play Valorant, but if you do you probably want to play without cheaters. It's either get hated for having cheaters (like CS2) or get hated for having invasive Anti-Cheat (Valorant). There's no third option.

Re: Valve removes free game from Steam after players discover it contains malware

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> What’s interesting is that while the game itself often crashed during launch, the malicious software continued running quietly in the background. Wonder how much longer it could have remain undetected if it actually fired up a shovelware game that could run properly, things like crashing probably gave it away way faster than it could've.

> things like crashing probably gave it away way faster than it could've

Theres a lot of games on Steam that outright don't work. It wouldn't raise a flag with me.

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