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It is time to build a new internet

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Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by Eji1700 »

han1 wrote: post #43
tomrod wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can solve a ton of social problems with technical solutions. 100 different, easy to integrate internets federated across a number of different communication technologies and protocols is actually very hard to regulate and capture. Sure, you won't have another Facebook, but we children of the 70s, 80s,and 90s would ser value in that.

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Because THIS TIME it'll just take the passing of the older generation for all of societies ills to be solved.

We either design with human nature in mind or accept that things will degrade.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by wmf »

rvz wrote: post #44

We already tried that with "web3" and as time has shown, it was a complete disaster.

The author is complaining about excess commercialism but Web3 was ultracapitalist from the beginning. These are totally different directions.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by _carbyau_ »

outside1234 wrote: post #59
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The premise being that the root cause of walled gardens, enshittification, data trading etc. is IP ? Get outa here ...

No that’s the implementation, the premise is that the current internet is not working for us (the people) and we need to move to something that does.

I think we need DNS for all, not just the rich-enough-to-register-a-domain.

If everyone could register their publicKey:IPv6 pair then why would we go to FB at all if we could talk directly with each other?

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by d--b »

People need to realize that the Internet in the 90s was not very good in itself.

It felt awesome because what we had before were books and TV.

We can’t recreate the feeling we had back then, because it was caused by a drastically new experience.

Suddenly I could chat with people on the other side of the planet that I had never met before. Suddenly I had access to an inifinite amount of content without having to browse a physical library or wait for the right radio program to air.

It was a liberation.

But the truth is that content quality was generally low, and it was difficult to search.

There was no wikipedia, no hacker news, most websites were full of ad banners, pyramid schemes, half baked content, keywords designed to optimize SEO. You’d spend literally hours clicking through web rings, just to realize none of the websites in the ring were good.

Connection was slow as fuck, and expensive. Downloading a good quality photo could take 5-10 minutes. And these were minutes you would pay for the price of a phone call.

It was extremely impractical.

The internet has since been through many phases. There was maybe a piracy phase, with Napster and CD burners. Then the start of Google was quite something. The start of facebook was exciting to a lot of people (I am proud to have never joined), and so were the beginnings of Twitter. Now it’s clearly all about video content.

But it’s never stopped being the internet. Every time something new arises, like Second Life, or Youtube, or Discord, it feels fresh again, and then we see the cracks, we feel the pressure or monetization.

My point is that the feeling that OP is after is that feeling of freshness, of optimism, of experiencing something different. People like that don’t realize that what they’re after is not an end goal, it’s a journey.

Even without enshittification, a mature network is never going to keep the dynamics of its early days. Many people criticize HN, Wikipedia, Youtube for not being what they used to be. Even though the content is still there and still good.

It is true to a certain extent that succesfull networks eventually attract bad actors, but imo boredom is the most important factor in the decline of these systems.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by JeremieDecoop »

kube-system wrote: post #55
jimmaswell wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel like accusing comments of being made by AI, especially with as little evidence as using an arrow, should be discouraged in the guidelines. It's become tediously common despite already falling under numerous more general items in that list.

You’re absolutely right! It’s a tired criticism that provides nothing to the discussion.

It was part of the first results on Hackernews homepage.

the reaction of my post is a call, even as we know that words can weight differently according to how, when and where we read them. HN brings value, and it is not guaranteed that it'll continue in its path.

Though every idea is welcome, sharing them freely is important. It is a criticism to which I provided an answer : human movements can be replicated : scrappers bypass oAuth 2, Cloudfare CDN, Social networks anti bots algorithm, any Google patented human movement detection algorithm, unfortunately changing the architecture won't impact the quality of internet.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by jasomill »

yanhangyhy wrote: post #13

i will watch tv show again

Middle-out compression was indeed the first thing that came to mind when reading the headline.

That, and billionare investor Russ Hanneman standing in front of his orange McLaren waiting for his daughter to be released from the grade school he forgot she no longer attended screaming about his willingness to pay for gay sex.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by AuthAuth »

My dream internet is not to different from current internet, TCP/IP and stack is mostly the same but i'll let the nerds figure out how to modify to achieve the below. This model mostly works because I trust my government is working in my interest and generally they do whats right by me. We cannot live in a world where the bad behavior runs unchecked over the good behavior and thats the main thing im trying to solve without outright removing the bad because I enjoy being unhinged and crazy on the internet.

Local first down to the city/regional datacenter not the home. Datacenter serving and providing service to its region at a low cost and it should hold its user data and avoid sharing with other servers as much as possible.

When you buy an internet plan it should come with a domain either a custom or a city/region.country. The internet plan should come with an email, internet wallet, reasonable amount of cloud storage, web server. If the user wants to replace any of these with their own self hosted service thats fine.

Two seperate webs. Clear web, transparent at a government level, absolutely no anonymity, everyone uses their full name, their full ID and can get arrested for saying and doing unhinged illegal things. You setup your personal AI to troll on reddit, warning from the police. You stalk and harrass people, vist from the police. you talk about firebombing a walmart, police vist. Friend/block list implemented so you can restrict certain people from viewing your content and your homepage block list should also allow you to block friends of a friend as well as allow friends of a friend etc. Browser settings can be more open by default. All bot traffic registers with their government.

Dark web, restricted access to only people over 18, people cannot be held legally liable for anything said or actions done(they should be able to say "thats not me" and there be no way to disprove, probably gonna be an absolute cess pit but im actually optimistic people would make some cool spaces and it'd foster its own unique culture with gatekeeping and natural webs of trust. Full anonymity privacy, can roll new digital wallets, can roll new auth keys, browsers very locked down and sandboxed, the regional data centers would run nodes to provide speed and resiliency to the network.

I dont know how many people would want this. Probably hearing it everyone hates it and recoils but I reckon after 10 years when people's brains have healed they would say its best than the current internet.

Re: It is time to build a new internet

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Post by grebc »

ethanplant wrote: post #19

I agree with the principle that the internet has, for lack of a better word, gone to shit. This isn’t the answer though. It’s not technically feasible and doesn’t actually address the problem. Your falling into the classic software brain trap of thinking the solution to a social problem is a technical one, when that isn’t necessarily the case.

Is it the internet/protocols that’s gone to shit or the watering holes we all hang out at?
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