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Flipper One Tech Specs

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Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by bigiain »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #11
jgrahamc wrote: post #6

I have a Flipper Zero and I've used it... occasionally. Like that one time controlling the Taylor Swift Eras tour wristbands: https://blog.jgc.org/2024/05/controlling-taylor-swift-eras-t... but it's mostly sat around being an odd device. I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty. I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One…

Heh... I used Flipper Zero to clone RFID tags for all the neighbors to T5577 rings, pins, sticky pads and whatever not for our gated community. If you are adventurous, many ski stations have low-tech cards as well, although they also tend to have human controllers once in a while. And, finally, kids like running around with Flipper Zero opening power taps on Teslas.

Pretty sure the most use I've got out of mine is using it as a tv-b-gone.

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Post by throwway120385 »

Aurornis wrote: post #68
entropicdrifter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV

Most of the power in a display goes to the backlight. Going grayscale and low res wouldn't save much at the same level of backlight brightness.

It would if it was a transflective display.

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by amlib »

Aurornis wrote: post #68
entropicdrifter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV

Most of the power in a display goes to the backlight. Going grayscale and low res wouldn't save much at the same level of backlight brightness.

Grayscale displays have no subpixels (or just one, depends how you view it) which should allow for more light from the backlight to pass through compared to a color display, thus reducing energy needs for a given brightness.

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by bigiain »

entropicdrifter wrote: post #64
Aurornis wrote: post #61

Display connected to the microcontroller instead of the Linux SoC is an interesting choice Actually, putting all of this powerful hardware into a custom aluminum enclosure with gorilla glass and then using a 6-bit low resolution grayscale display is a weird choice. I guess they were going for a certain grayscale low-fi vibe? The "needs verification" and "needs clarification" lines are weird. Like they asked someone (…

Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV

I'm guessing it'll have a similar phone app to the Zero. I quite often use that, sometimes foe stealth so i can have the FZ in my pocket and look like I'm doomscrolling and not sniffing the airwaves, and sometimes just because almost 60 year old eyes have a better time using my phone screen instead of the tiny/grainy FZ one.

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by 866-RON-0-FEZ »

elevation wrote: post #34

I wasn't expecting the Ethernet ports. I would love to be able to plug this in an know in a second what tagged vlans are preset, what addr/mask the DHCP server offered, is PXE an option? blink an LED if there's a new RA, ipv6 neighbor, etc. Blink an LED if there's been a 802.3x pause frame in the last 500ms, or 802.3Qbb while we're at it. With the pair of ports, let me MITM so the 802.1X negotiation can take place be…

You do know they make proper network troubleshooting tools, right?

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by bigiain »

rkourdis wrote: post #7
sterlind wrote: post #4

maybe I'm blind, but it looks like there's no radio! like there's wifi and bluetooth, sure, but I don't see NFC or RFID or sub-1ghz radio, at all. imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.

They added an M.2 port [1] to which you can attach a variety of modules, including SDR (eg. [2] 30 MHz - 11 GHz). [1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr

No pricing on that sSDR yet, but their single channel M.2 SDR is $360. My guess it the dual channel one would be close to $500. Nice, but above my impulse buy threshold... (It won't surprise me if a Flipper One with that sSDR in it will cost close to $1,500.)

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by kube-system »

Aurornis wrote: post #68
entropicdrifter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re:choice of display, I'm betting it's for power saving. If you need a better display you can use the HDMI port or DisplayPort USB-C port and just hook it right up to a monitor/TV

Most of the power in a display goes to the backlight. Going grayscale and low res wouldn't save much at the same level of backlight brightness.

The Flipper Zero's screen is transflective, I suspect this one is the same. While this technology is possible on larger color displays, it is more common to find these manufactured as small grey-scale screens. They're ideal for battery operated devices because of their low power requirements -- they are legible with the backlight entirely off as long as there is light in the room.

Remember these?:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81sQxjJBn1L._AC_.jpg

Re: Flipper One Tech Specs

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Post by bigiain »

K0balt wrote: post #69
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #58

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Which SDRs would you recommend at the $100, $300, $600, and $1200+ price points?

I’m not an expert but I know of a few. Are you looking at recieve only, or transmit/ recieve? What frequency ranges? Off the top of my head HackRF one- relatively cheap, pretty good transceiver, lots of crappy clones USRP B205mini, expensive, fast, closer to pro equipment

I like my HackRFOne, but be aware it's half-duplex, so it can transmit as well as receive - but can only do one of them at a time. For a little more money you can get full duplex SDRs, which opens up a bunch of extra interesting sttuff you can do.

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Post by geerlingguy »

bigiain wrote: post #70
geerlingguy wrote: post #57

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It's more like a portable Raspberry Pi with better efficiency and more IO. And hopefully even better mainline Linux support out of the gate. The key question will be how much it costs. Beyond $250-300, it's a lot more of a niche product. Below $250 would be very interesting. I don't think it will be below $300. With current memory and storage pricing, probably $350-400 is more realistic :(

Its got 8gb of ddr5 in it. That's already a huge chunk of $300 - I'm not even sure they will get the BOM down to $300. I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)

I forgot it has a battery as well, so add on the extra power and charging circuitry. Yeah, probably north of $500, but I can't imagine it being closer to $1000 :/
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