if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
But why
OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
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Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
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It helps significantly in the current moment. A lot of people are lazy and are getting caught quickly by SynthID. Eventually it won’t matter when image generation is cheap. But few self-host today and few are willing to pay unsubsidized prices, so the vast majority are using the Gemini, OpenAI, and Midjourney. If all 3 adopted SynthID, only a small fraction would use something else.
These systems should be removed. This is antithetical to freedom and privacy. There should be no way for anyone to track down who posted a political meme, anti-religious message, or any other legally protected speech. This will come back to bite us in the ass if we keep building it. Soon every image or communication we make will be watermarked if we continue to let this shit seep into the commons. Everything from you…
These laws need a method to know what is true and what is fake. Good luck with that if you can’t tell if neither images, audio or video are true.
This fakes will pave the way for fascists.
How much freedom and privacy will they allow?
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#73This is just performative nonsense. As someone that creates things with tools with different media I would just hard avoid this tool that adds... arbitrary metadata not of my choosing. Should I seriously make a texture for a videogame with this weird DRM glorp in it? How old is photoshop and why is it exempt?
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#74Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it's not useful. I've already seen posts online that were able to be proven as falsified because someone ran the images through Google for SynthID checks. > How old is photoshop and why is it exempt? For one, it's not developed by Google or OpenAI. The barrier to entry to making realistic but deceptive images with Photoshop is far higher than with AI, and there are al…
So 999 people that are just making an image need to be DRM'ed so that you might catch the 1 person making "realistic but deceptive" images... like this is some kind of special case of ... internet images.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
So 999 people that are just making an image need to be DRM'ed so that you might catch the 1 person making "realistic but deceptive" images... like this is some kind of special case of ... internet images.
This isn't DRM right? This is metadata attached to the image that makes it clear it was synthetically generated. The public has a huge incentive to know when images are AI generated and the harm to legitimate users seems pretty small: aka someone might complain online that you use AI
There is no case that any of its particularly harmful outside of things like CSAM which is illegal.
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#77if you tell it to generate the AI image with a black background you can visually see the synthid with a good enough monitor, it's just a repeating fuzzy pattern, nothing special. I have found great success of getting rid of it by masking every 2nd pixel, regenerating missing pixels and then once again masking every 2nd pixel offset by 1. Used an off the shelf model to fill in the pixels, but I also exported a depthma…
Re: OpenAI Adopts Google's SynthID Watermark for AI Images with Verification Tool
#78so ? people wanting to make AI propaganda will just make tool to remove it. Possibly using AI to do it too
I assume a selfish benefit is that OpenAI and Google don't want the models to train on their own data. There is just /so much/ AI generated content online that they definitely need to filter it out somehow when assembling the training data. This is a pretty effective way to do that, with the nice bonus of being mostly good from a PR standpoint.
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>How old is photoshop and why is it exempt? I'm sure you can think of a couple things that differentiate gen AI from photoshop, I believe in you.
The main difference is we are in the middle of a moral panic and people have lost perspective. Its a tool with different modalties and affordances.
But on second thought it is not a bad idea to be able to have a quick tool to identify an image as AI generated.
And after reading your reaction to it, I am sure now that the watermark is for the best.
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> How old is photoshop and why is it exempt? How does today’s maximum theoretical disinformation output per minute compare to 2021 Photoshop?
Its 2026... people are deliberately choosing to live in their own realities with no care about objective facts or moral choices. So weird images are a big problem? No they don't matter at all.