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Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by rootnod3 »

Galanwe wrote: post #31
clbrmbr wrote: post #10

Anyone here using OpenBSD? If so, for what purpose? I’ve always wanted to use NetBSD for an application for an embedded system / IoT device but never had the pleasure (yet!).

I use it on my personal laptop, essentially because I like how slim and simple it is. Packaging is simple, kernel development and upgrade is simple, etc. Also the kernel code itself is written in a style I like, it's to the point, no useless abstractions, no fuss. I prefer it even amongst other BSDs I tried (netbsd and free*lbsd/dragonfly). It just feels nice to be able to understand most of your system. It's not as…

This.

A while ago I made some blog posts[1] diving into the source code of OpenBSD and FreeBSD (shameless self plug), but haven't had the time recently to write more.

Being able to understand the system, or at least being able to take a quick look when something doesn't work is very refreshing. Not to mention the outstanding man pages. Barely need to google things.

[1]: https://blog.wollwage.com/

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by mghackerlady »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #63
mghackerlady wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't a thing anymore iirc

If I remember, it's still illegal to export to "rogue states," Iran and North Korea being the major two, and terrorist organizations. But I don't think anybody has been charged for it and there's reason to suspect it wouldn't hold up given the pgp ruling.

We can't really export anything to those "rogue states" anyway. Also, as backwards as NK can act in some contexts, I dislike the classification of them as a rogue state. The kims are pretty good at geopolitics and wouldn't do anything stupid or dangerous without a good enough reason to make its actions no longer "rogue". If anything, the US is closer to a rogue state currently with its rubber stamp congress and willingness to do whatever the orangutan in charge says

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by mxuribe »

wang_li wrote: post #65
nelsonic wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD has the same roots as OpenBSD but the former has a “compatibility” focus whereas the latter has the security focus. Having a background in security, the choice was obvious for me. But each person/org should decide based on their needs. Haven’t had any issues running it on all major hardware (Dell, HP, Lenovo, Apple, etc) the UI isn’t as pretty as macOS on Desktop, but it runs Firefox & Chrome, etc. so you can…

There was FreeBSD and NetBSD. NetBSD supporting many platforms while FreeBSD supported just x86. There was some contention between NetBSD developers and Theo and crew left to create OpenBSD. They all more or less have common ancestry being derivatives of 386BSD.

Yeah, i knew there was some aspects of decendancy across the different BSDs.

And, I mentioned NetBSD for embedded stuff...but really, i *think* its that NetBsd is simply installed on tons of different hardware....so not only embedded....i kinda remembered that about NetBSD.

But, its the other BSDs - in particular FreeBSD vs OpenBSD - that i always forget the differences...but got it now. Thanks!

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by idatum »

clbrmbr wrote: post #10

Anyone here using OpenBSD? If so, for what purpose? I’ve always wanted to use NetBSD for an application for an embedded system / IoT device but never had the pleasure (yet!).

Runs well on my Lenovo T-490. I use this as my main non-Windows laptop.

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by nelsonic »

fsflover wrote: post #58
nelsonic wrote: post #11

With all the security issues constantly being uncovered in other Operating Systems - which will only accelerate with Ai - it’s time everyone considers OpenBSD. Their decades-long security-focus is second to none. We have fully converted from Ubuntu/Debian to OpenBSD. No looking back.

If you care about security, why not consider Qubes OS? Related discussion: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/qubesos-vs-openbsd-security/790...

Qubes OS uses the Linux kernel. Without wanting to start a flame-war and with all respect to Linux, it’s not even close. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_security_features

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by mxuribe »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #41
mxuribe wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried such Openbsd installations vs FreeBSD? I forget the differences between OpenBSD and FreeBSD, so forgive the naivety. (I think NetBSD is more for embedded stuff, and Ghost and Dragonfly are more for conventional desktop use-cases if i recall correctly.) I'm asking because i have not touched any BSD for over 2 decades...and I'm getting the itch to try some out...and was wondering if for server-type use c…

OpenBSD is security focused while FreeBSD will remind you of older X-Windows workstations.

Thanks!

And, wow, do i miss the old X-window workstations...well, i should clarify that i LOVED those (I think they were Sparc?) workstations that ran Solaris or SunOS back in the day! Man, that takes me back some years...but i really loved those machines! :-)

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs »

866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #61
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your "evidence" for him to reconsider is a sandbox "bypass" that requires you to be root to set up the environment Can you help figure out where does it say unveil does not really work when root is involved?

You left a snarky comment, then paraded around a positively lame example as some sort of trophy. Here's what I can figure out: you need root to set up the environment just so. It's a don't-care. The end.

>Here's what I can figure out: you need root to set up the environment just so.

I guess you just don't understand what unveil does.

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by boomboomsubban »

mghackerlady wrote: post #72
boomboomsubban wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember, it's still illegal to export to "rogue states," Iran and North Korea being the major two, and terrorist organizations. But I don't think anybody has been charged for it and there's reason to suspect it wouldn't hold up given the pgp ruling.

We can't really export anything to those "rogue states" anyway. Also, as backwards as NK can act in some contexts, I dislike the classification of them as a rogue state. The kims are pretty good at geopolitics and wouldn't do anything stupid or dangerous without a good enough reason to make its actions no longer "rogue". If anything, the US is closer to a rogue state currently with its rubber stamp congress and willi…

>We can't really export anything to those "rogue states" anyway

Sure, but there are additional laws regarding cryptography, even in publicly available software.

"Rogue states" is a legal designation, we can both dislike it as much as we want but I doubt the US will change it's view

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by ch_123 »

mxuribe wrote: post #30
nelsonic wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use OpenBSD for our VPSes on Hetzner, bare metal (for security focussed clients) and older (but still good) hardware in our Home Lab. OpenBSD is excellent on older (no longer supported by Cupertino) Apple hardware. We have an Intel Mac Mini Cluster with near-perfect uptime. If you need to run any kind of server (Web, Mail, DNS, NFS, Database) where you need stability & security, look no further. Some learning curv…

Have you tried such Openbsd installations vs FreeBSD? I forget the differences between OpenBSD and FreeBSD, so forgive the naivety. (I think NetBSD is more for embedded stuff, and Ghost and Dragonfly are more for conventional desktop use-cases if i recall correctly.) I'm asking because i have not touched any BSD for over 2 decades...and I'm getting the itch to try some out...and was wondering if for server-type use c…

The "lightweight" nature of OpenBSD is a matter of perspective - if you are happy with OpenBSD's feature set, then it's a plus. On the other hand, FreeBSD has a lot of additional features, including ZFS, which may be of interest. The last I checked, FreeBSD was more performant in various benchmarks, particularly regarding multi-core performance.

Re: OpenBSD 7.9

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

fsflover wrote: post #58
nelsonic wrote: post #11

With all the security issues constantly being uncovered in other Operating Systems - which will only accelerate with Ai - it’s time everyone considers OpenBSD. Their decades-long security-focus is second to none. We have fully converted from Ubuntu/Debian to OpenBSD. No looking back.

If you care about security, why not consider Qubes OS? Related discussion: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/qubesos-vs-openbsd-security/790...

If you really really care about security, then consider CHERI and CheriBSD

https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/ctsrd/cheri/

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