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US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

odysseus wrote: post #61
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drive around 5000 miles a year and still pay $225/year for my EV. However, Washington is moving to a mileage based system for EVs, hybrids, and high economy cars. They are just going to go by odometer readings, which is about the only way it will work in the USA.

And they’re planning to charge 2.6 cents per mile, per https://wstc.wa.gov/studies-surveys/road-usage-charge/ So that’s $364 per year for 14k miles. Vs. the $225 currently paid as an electrification fee.

It’s capped at $225, at least during the pilot.

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Post by tzs »

hamdingers wrote: post #5

$130/yr? No matter how heavy the vehicle or how many miles you drive? This is all so silly. Every other mode of publicly funded transportation infrastructure has direct user fees based on usage, why not roads? Some combination of highway tolls and a weight-based mileage fee. But that would be an impossible sell because Americans have the impression that roads spring from the ground for free, since they're paid for in…

> $130/yr? No matter how heavy the vehicle or how many miles you drive?

It could be worse. In the "Big Beautiful Bill" they originally had a $250/yr EV tax in it, which then got bumped up to $500 by a Representative who is/was a car dealer owner, before finally being removed because they decided it would be too much effort to make the states collect it for them.

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Post by nostrademons »

back7co wrote: post #26
mjevans wrote: post #21

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Offhand, the maintenance costs are something similar to a scalar that is the square of a vehicle's weight. Rather than indirectly taxing via fuel it would be more proper to do so by said maintenance scalar (weight based) and the distance driven as the inputs. Presumably paid at the time of registration renewal or at vehicle inspections. That sounds like a lot of infra change to setup, so there should be plenty of pla…

This unfortunately is flawed logic if it's intended to tax EV's as it would target semi trucks and heavy duty trucks more than EV's. https://ctr.utk.edu/electric-vehicles-damage-roads/

It seems like the point isn't that it's intended to tax EVs, it's intended to shift the cost of road maintenance onto the vehicles that cause most of the road maintenance needs. Basically, it's aligning incentives so that firms bear the true cost of their actions.

If that results in taxing semi and heavy duty trucks, that may be a good thing. A lot of the wear & tear on highways comes from trucking; if it shifts a lot of that truck traffic to rail, it likely would significantly reduce the total cost to society.

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Post by tw04 »

legitster wrote: post #49
tw04 wrote: post #39

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> The current compromise is to collect it once at a federal level and split the proceeds with the states. This has problems, but it's better than having every state track individual mileage on public roads (ew). “Has problems” is an interesting way to gloss over we’ve got an administration that has openly declared war on any state he didn’t win and will no doubt withhold funds from the states he doesn't like, the sam…

> I literally cannot think of a worse way to enforce this than letting the federal government collect the tax and then distribute it to the states as they see fit. I mean, this is more or less how it already works with all the federal department funding. The same administration wants to abolish the Department of Education which is guilty of the same thing. So no side is really being consistent in this particular area…

Stop with the “both sides are the same” nonsense. Red states got some of the largest funding in Biden’s stimulus package despite not voting for him.

The democrats have consistently tried to pass bills and funding for the needy regardless of political affiliation or state of residence. Trump is literally the only one trying to use the federal government to punish states that didn’t vote for him and his Republican colleagues have been happy to oblige.

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Post by cozzyd »

chrisco255 wrote: post #42
cozzyd wrote: post #32

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Hmm pretty sure this train I'm on right now is taking me home from work. Transit is such a failure that I haven't owned a car in 15 years...

Thats nice but that doesnt work for vast majority of the United States. Cars are here to stay. People live in the suburbs you aren't going to mass migrate hundreds of millions of people.

Both things can be true?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

csto12 wrote: post #2

A deeply unserious country. What else can you say?

I've been paying my EV tax for 1.5 years now in NZ. It's about 2x more than hybrid cars pay thru tax. Just dropped $800 for the next 10k km. Also some sort of registration rebate has been removed so another $100 per year.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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Post by dzhiurgis »

daft_pink wrote: post #65

I think the biggest problem is that EVs and hybrids travel less total miles on the road due to their nature, so it should be an odometer based price based on actual usage not a punitive high dollar amount compared to a gas vehicle.

> travel less total miles on the road due to their nature

Kinda opposite really. If I wasn't driving much I'd get a big ass gas guzzler for cheap rather than drop 50k on an EV. Driving long legs in a gas car is pain in the ass too, IDK how people do it.

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Post by csto12 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #77
csto12 wrote: post #2

A deeply unserious country. What else can you say?

I've been paying my EV tax for 1.5 years now in NZ. It's about 2x more than hybrid cars pay thru tax. Just dropped $800 for the next 10k km. Also some sort of registration rebate has been removed so another $100 per year.

How much do gas cars pay in tax?

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Post by cyberax »

cozzyd wrote: post #32
cyberax wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hmm pretty sure this train I'm on right now is taking me home from work. Transit is such a failure that I haven't owned a car in 15 years...

Let me guess: single, no children? Or a full-time stay-at-home spouse if more than 2 children?

Alternatively, not the US.

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