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No more JetBrains products for me

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Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by traderj0e »

piskov wrote: post #66
traderj0e wrote: post #29

Haven't used an IDE ever since I got used to vim and installed some basic plugins like YCM. Everything else feels too slow.

The main point of IDE is not code completion but lots of static and dynamic analysis to keep you from writing bad, slow, insecure, what have you, code. Most of that stuff is proprietary and cannot be plugged into terminal. The only attempt I’ve seen was actually by Jetbrains with Resharper beta for vscode

Eh, haven't needed it. Especially now that there are AI coding agents, but even before that. If I really wanted to run some static analysis in IntelliJ, always had the option to do it separately from my real editor.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by jordand »

Still a bit weird that this text editor has an immense amount of venture capital invested in it, but yeah, I'll probably end up giving Zed another go. Still, they've made some odd decisions in the past. It took a lot of community pushback just to get them to add that 'disable_ai' flag (mandatory feature for me).

Link: https://zed.dev/blog/disable-ai-features

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by ajxs »

When the author says 'I tend to run older hardware', how old do they mean? I'm typing this message right now on my Thinkpad x220 from 2011, which is unfortunately too old to run Zed because its internal Intel HD graphics card doesn't support Vulkan. I'd be an everyday user if not for this.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by dangus »

Traster wrote: post #59

> Granted, I tend to run older hardware, but it seems that most other programs on my machine run fast and happy I'd really like some context here. Because for some people this is like "My M4 is out of date now the M4 ultra is out" and for others it's "I think computers really took a step back when when we started to talk about Gigahertz and Gigabytes, a 386 is all I need".

JetBrains to my understanding like a traditional IDE similar to Visual Studio (classic) that comes with a lot of stuff in the box that lighter weight text editor inspired development environments don’t have.

It is completely expected that it’s slower.

I remember my first job I had to request a new workstation just to tolerate using Visual Studio. (Actually, all I asked for was an SSD, but my manager over-delivered and went ahead with a whole new workstation)

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by usef- »

wiseowise wrote: post #18
pjmlp wrote: post #6

Well, Zed is a text editor with some plugins, while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer.

> while JetBrains products are full-blown IDEs, with abilities Zed will never offer. None of those matter if they just close the IDE before it indexes. > When all of these tiny issues come together, it makes me NOT want to program. I don’t want to sit around and wait for startup times to get my ideas onto the screen. I don’t want to worry that my CPU or RAM is going to be exhausted and I am going to have to restart m…

Exhausting the CPU and memory? I'm genuinely curious how he gets such a different experience to me.

Startup is definitely slower than vim though, but it's something that happens only once for me, then it stays open all day (unlike vim which I close and open repeatedly)

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by vitally3643 »

jmward01 wrote: post #15

I had my (somewhat) breakup when they started advertising their code assistant at me. My IDE is my home. You push an advertisement at me and I get mad. I killed my subscription (with 1/2 a year left) and loaded the old version and haven't looked back. I will eventually give it up completely since new python versions aren't supported for debugging but oh well.

The persistent AI assistant sidebar that I have to remove every three days, the shitty "me too" VSCode clone UI, relegating the professional UI I paid for into a "maybe supported" plugin and then outright lying about the new UI being opt-in and never on by default.

JetBrains is simply not interested in power users and professionals anymore, and seem to be utterly unaware that that's their core customer base.

I canceled my all-products subscription after more than ten years and I'll be using 2024 versions until the wheels fall off.

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by StableAlkyne »

abhgh wrote: post #56

I am not particularly bothered by the speed but the AI suggestion clutter is quickly becoming an issue for me :( I type fragments of a line and it will suggest the next 5-6 lines. They may not be outright wrong, but they might not represent the way I like to do things . Pressing Esc. and refocusing on what I was going to type in anyway is a disruptive experience.

I use VSCode more often than PyCharm nowadays (same reasons as TFA, it's just too heavy), but unless something has changed in the last couple of months, you can disable the AI completions

Re: No more JetBrains products for me

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Post by liendolucas »

Traster wrote: post #59

> Granted, I tend to run older hardware, but it seems that most other programs on my machine run fast and happy I'd really like some context here. Because for some people this is like "My M4 is out of date now the M4 ultra is out" and for others it's "I think computers really took a step back when when we started to talk about Gigahertz and Gigabytes, a 386 is all I need".

I wish that software is constantly updated and tuned for the past, not the future. I find quite ridiculous that we only keep pouring ram, disk, processor and yet tools lag behind. How is that possible?
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