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Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by ls612 »

mustaphah wrote: post #13

The strongest evidence against Musk was Musk. His own 2017 emails supporting for-profit chats made the "betrayal" narrative very hard to sell.

He lost the lawsuit on a legal technicality about the statute of limitations not on substantive grounds.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by throwway120385 »

wagwang wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statute of limitations is not a "bureaucratic technicality", it is the law.

Can some lawyer explain the rationale of statute of limitations? Like why does a robber get to get away with the crime if they are able to evade the police for x number of years. Is it just because the trials suck after a while cuz no one remembers anything?

The easier scenario to think about where statutes of limitation really make sense is in collection of payment through the court system. Suppose you buy something on post-payment terms and then the supplier bumbles around forgetting to bill you for it. At what point should you reasonably be expected to pay the bill? In my state you get 7 years, and I think that's probably pretty generous because it covers the entire tab from when you get the thing to when you start a proceeding in court.

For a robbery that doesn't involve a weapon I think we should generally forgive and forget if it's been long enough. Nobody cared enough to bring action in court for whatever reason, and it would be awful for someone in their 40's to be jailed and brought into court for something that happened in their 20's. At that point if the government fails to prosecute that's on them, and on us for failing to hold them accountable. But 20 years is a long time and people can change over that timespan, so it probably doesn't make sense to hold a grudge for that long.

There are especially egregious crimes that have no statute of limitations like murder and sexual assault, but we might find our society better off for keeping the statute of limitations for injuries that we can recover from.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by freejazz »

dcow wrote: post #53
paxys wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statute of limitations is not a "bureaucratic technicality", it is the law.

I am absolutely certain that if Sam was suing xAI and the case got dismissed on a technicality people would be lined up with screeds about the injustice of the situation.

That's just a point about how (annoying) Sam-boosters are.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by Hikikomori »

Aurornis wrote: post #61
tptacek wrote: post #45

I think a lot about how there's a very plausible alternate history where Elon Musk controls most of the frontier of AI.

I've thought about that, too, but it would require that all of the key individuals at OpenAI would have been willing to stay at OpenAI under his ownership. That seems unlikely to me given how divisive he is. OpenAI already had one existential leadership crisis without Musk. I doubt it would have fair better under his notoriously difficult leadership. If he had wrestled control away, I would expect an exodus of employ…

They're willing to work under the current snake, even got him back after he was removed, so why not musk?

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Post by nradov »

wagwang wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statute of limitations is not a "bureaucratic technicality", it is the law.

Can some lawyer explain the rationale of statute of limitations? Like why does a robber get to get away with the crime if they are able to evade the police for x number of years. Is it just because the trials suck after a while cuz no one remembers anything?

Are you asking about criminal or civil law? This was a civil case. The general reason for imposing filing time limits is that it's better for businesses and society in general to have certainty about outcomes rather than perfect justice. If a plaintiff tries to dredge up old issues from many years ago it just wastes everyone's time and clogs up the court system.

Re: Elon Musk has lost his lawsuit against Sam Altman and OpenAI

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Post by pj_mukh »

tahoeskibum wrote: post #30

Anybody read the article:"...that his lawsuits had been filed too late."

Wait but that’s the crux of his argument that he was “wronged”. Not “wronged but only once xAI started competing with OpenAI”. He can’t prove the former, if the latter is true.

If anyone is/was truly still wronged by OpenAI changing corporate structure they are still able to sue and prove damages. Yet surprisingly no one has come forward on this.

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