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An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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In our new era of corpo-facism the people will learn to love it or else. Nothing a couple years of brain washing bots and algorithmic feeds cant fix.

I actually completely disagree, and think that AI hate is just going to grow. My take is:

1. The public response resembles the stages of grief, and people are fluctuating between denial (AI isn't really that smart) and anger (AI is horrible).

2. Your perception of something tend to be shaped by the sum of your experiences with it, and a lot of the exposure to AI is via fake, scams, bots, and low efforts content (AI slop).

3. I think that the fear of losing your job and your life's stability is there, but it's not yet as common as it should be in the general public. I expect that to be the main driver of AI hate, and that will be a lot fiercer than the current hate, and could lead to a civil war or worse. Depending on AI progression.

4. There is also a lot of tribalism involved. We live in a polarized society, and many people adapt their opinions to the opinion of the group they identify with. That itself drives anger towards AI, as it is part of the greater cause.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not self inflicted. It does have many causes, zoning being one of them, but the reluctance to build a they do in eg China is a problem

By coincidence the United States isn’t the only country Great Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have the same problem lack of affordability for people between 18 and 35 who can’t afford to buy a house/home. Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries? Aside from speaking English they also have lots in common when it comes to the way the economy and society is run. I can only spea…

> Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries?

It looks more like you only read English-language news which is concerned about the happenings in English-speaking countries.

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count...

These are current average houseprice-to-income ratios per country. The first English-speaking country on that list is in 87th rank.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

#73
Anti-AI propaganda is false-flag. AI is going to happen. The only question is whether it will benefit everyone or just the rich. Best way for the rich to ensure they own it is to convince the poors that AI is a monster, so they don’t demand it for themselves, and instead fight pointless battles they are guaranteed to lose. Folks need to wake up and start talking about a post-scarcity world where machines do all the work. You can have Star Trek or Elysium.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

#74
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I don't really see the problem here. We're all getting laid off because AI I superior to us. I can now do the job of a product owner or even exceed it by simply prompting with some nuance, magic spells and bit of salt and pepper. But down the road the AI bros promise us that this will reduce inequality and make human society better, somehow. I really need to understand this shit and if anyone can weigh in on it I'd b…

Lmao what on earth is this crap.

Perhaps you software engineers are in a bubble - people I know from accountants, portfolio managers to mechanical engineers are barely using AI - they use it more to tell jokes.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a problem limited to specific metros. On the whole, Gen Z is more likely than millennials to be a homeowner at their age. Millennials in turn were more likely than Gen-X to own a home when Boomers were at that age. The idea that living standards and financial milestones have gone down for more recent generations doesn't seem to bear out, this Economist piece digs into detail: https://www.economist.co…

I thought that was nicely rebutted years ago.. https://prospect.org/2024/05/14/2024-05-14-trendy-nonsense-g...

The piece doesn't seem to refute the key claims made by The Economist, namely that Gen-Z has higher inflation-adjusted incomes than previous generations. It's biggest criticism seems to be:

> The Economist piece and kindred articles are good examples of how to lie with statistics. You can show that the typical 25-year-old’s income outpaces boomers’ income when they were 25 only by failing to adjust for inflation and the rising costs of life’s necessities, or using averages rather than medians.

But the Economist did use inflation-adjusted median earnings in its analysis of incomes by age among different generations. The Economist cited the median after-tax income, adjusted for inflation. (https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=600,quality=10...) I'm not sure why this author seems to think that the Economist is failing to adjust for inflation or not using medians, when it says so quite clearly in their graphs.

The Prospect article also says that home ownership among under-35s has gone down, and links to data on the home ownership rates grouped by age (https://www.prb.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/a-02132020-ar...) but the data ends in 2017. The oldest of Gen-Z would only be 20 years old at the time this data ends. When we look at the Economist's wrote:

> Bolstered by high incomes, American Zoomers’ home-ownership rates are higher than millennials’ at the same age (even if they are lower than previous generations’).

A chart of home ownership rates that end in 2017 could not possibly refute this claim given that Gen-Z would be too young to buy homes around the time that the data's source ends. The home ownership rate among under-35s increased from 34% in 2017 to 39% in 2023 (https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/07/younger-house...), so when Gen-Z started to enter their earliest feasible home-buying years the ownership rate was in a period of recovery. The Economist's claims seem to bear out.

The rest of the piece goes off on tangents largely unrelated to the financial outcomes related to Gen-Z relative to previous generations. For instance, it cites a pew survey on the percentage of young adults that support their parents. But it does not compare that against earlier decades, so there's no evidence in any change in rate over time. In fact the bulk of the piece shares data that aren't relevant. E.g. how does the racial breakdown of the subprime mortgages relate to incomes by age and birth year?

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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I hate it, yet I'm burning millions of tokens doing shit I previously knew I could do, never had the attention or time to, but now, its like crack...

Are your tokens earning dollars and do they translate into a sustainable form of income? Honest question. I know people who have been laid off and their answer seems to be "use AI make stuff and go forward for the win". All the while actually paying these AI companies to train on their thoughts or slop or whatever it should be called now. I think there is some mass confusion happening right now (psychosis even) and t…

You bring up a point that I have been wrestling with in my mind.

> "use AI make stuff and go forward for the win".

If anyone with AI access can do this, then what real value can one produce? For example, if one makes a nice little FizzBuzz widget, then why pay for their widget when I can just make my own? Sure, there is a cost to buy/time to recreate analysis to be had, but it's easier to recreate software now more than ever.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By coincidence the United States isn’t the only country Great Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have the same problem lack of affordability for people between 18 and 35 who can’t afford to buy a house/home. Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries? Aside from speaking English they also have lots in common when it comes to the way the economy and society is run. I can only spea…

> Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries? It looks more like you only read English-language news which is concerned about the happenings in English-speaking countries. https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count... These are current average houseprice-to-income ratios per country. The first English-speaking country on that list is in 87th rank.

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Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

#78
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By coincidence the United States isn’t the only country Great Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand have the same problem lack of affordability for people between 18 and 35 who can’t afford to buy a house/home. Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries? Aside from speaking English they also have lots in common when it comes to the way the economy and society is run. I can only spea…

> Notice that all these countries are English speaking countries? It looks more like you only read English-language news which is concerned about the happenings in English-speaking countries. https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_count... These are current average houseprice-to-income ratios per country. The first English-speaking country on that list is in 87th rank.

The "average" is "median", correct?

I suppose the message is that although housing (and health care and higher education) costs in the US (and elsewhere) have outpaced wage growth for the last half century or so, it could still be worse living in a country with much lower wages to begin with.

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

#79
People really hate AI because it's marketed in the worst ways possible for the general public.

CEOs love to get up and say "Hey, we are firing 1000 people because of this awesome AI" [1]

For people that like computers, AI is jacking up the price of electronics with CEOs saying things like "We don't even have a place to plug these cards in, we are just buying up whatever we can get" [2]. They are further causing memory manufacturers to simply discontinue consumer products [3]

Then there are the AI CEOs that love advertising the fact that their companies will eliminate huge swaths of the job market and make good paying jobs obsolete. [4]

Of course when the general public even starts to ask "ok, what is this and why should I care" a lot of the answers are "You just should, you'll be left behind" without actual explanations for why or how. [5]

And of course lets not forget that practically cartoonish villiny of the data centers being ramrodded through by bribing local politicians with false claims of tax benefits. All while being powered by massive amounts of fossil fuel burners. [6]

Yeah, people hate AI, because it seems be a bunch of out of touch CEOs that only talk to each other in glee about how awesome it will be to have no workers and how great it is that they have enough money and political influence to do anything they like regardless public sentiment.

It's a product that wasn't sold to the average joe, it was sold to the uber wealthy. It very clearly shows.

[1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future/

[2] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...

[3] https://investors.micron.com/news-releases/news-release-deta...

[4] https://fortune.com/article/why-microsoft-ai-chief-mustafa-s...

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTJUl4--8c

[6] https://www.sltrib.com/news/2026/05/04/utah-data-center-fina...

Re: An AI Hate Wave Is Here

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I think it’s interesting that AI is in itself compressing the length of time it takes to move through its phases to reach maturity. It’s a lot faster than for example the dotcom phase. Humans don’t much like change, and fast change worries them even more. The dotcom bubble didn’t really threaten jobs in the same way that the AI shift is. It’s closer to the industrial revolution / the industrial loom where people lost…

The tech industry is just eating itself. Other fields seem nowhere near as impacted.

It may not be as big as tech layoffs but my wife negotiated a relocation. We used a broker and a lawyer for the first time. We did consultation with a new set of brokers and lawyers. My wife felt they were not aggressive enough. She negotiated EVERYTHING with the landlord (a very large regional landlord). She got more than what she would get and everything was in her favor.

Not only did she gain $50k more in tenant improvement/free rent/et and other freebies that the brokers/lawers she did not get, but easily saved $10k to paying these "professionals".

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