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At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by new_account_100 »

amazingamazing wrote: post #64
zug_zug wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

So what are you advocating for?

I feel like you're trying to bait people into saying something that violates the site guidelines.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by whatshisface »

Barbing wrote: post #53
amazingamazing wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is destruction of private property will only justify the very surveillance one is trying to avoid. Would you agree ring cameras should be destroyed too? The police can use their footage. In practice they are similar to flock.

Exactly, let your local politicians know the only way they can get your vote is by rejecting Flock.

What's going on here is that out of 100,000 constituents, three know that Gary's Carpets is licensing the city reservoir as a PFOAs dump, and combined they have $1,000 of advertising reach if in-kind contribution is counted. Meanwhile, Gary's Carpets has a $60k advertising budget annually, donates to all five churches, subcontracts influence operations with bot farms, and attends weekly meetings of the grand lupus lodge.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by RobLach »

amazingamazing wrote: post #28

Eventually toll cameras and a consortium of private businesses will have this tech and then game over. Better to use this energy and legislate the behavior you want. Never let the enemy decide the terms.

Smashing cameras is enjoyable whereas building movement for legislation is laborious.

It will be easier to negotiate for legislation as well if the economic risk of installation increases because of vandalism.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by happytoexplain »

new_account_100 wrote: post #51
happytoexplain wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's a choice to feel like a slave/victim/etc" is a phrase born from legitimate psychological advice, but now is used 90% of the time as a "devil's platitude" (sounds like, "Just give up. It's inevitable, and you'll be happier.")

I think it's a fair comment in this case, given that the discussion is essentially about civil disobedience. In other words, I think it's worth mentioning that the (former) slaves who took the underground railroad were breaking the law by doing so.

True, but that's not what "feel like a slave" means as an English phrase - i.e. the phrase does not mean, "feel like you're resisting like a slave", it's "feel like you're helpless like a slave". It's an insult meant to make you accept your conditions, not fight against them.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by zug_zug »

amazingamazing wrote: post #64
zug_zug wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kinda like saying "Throwing the British's tea into Boston harbor will only make us subject to harsher terms." The reality is the vast majority of social progress in the last millenium was achieved with force and threat of force. I find this weird revisionist "violence is never the answer" trope recited as a fact that needs no justification to be incredibly weird and unreliable.

So what are you advocating for?

For throwing the tea into the harbor.

By the way -- Where do you stand on throwing tea into the harbor? And where do you stand on the legitimacy of publicly discussing throwing tea into the harbor?

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by new_account_100 »

GaryBluto wrote: post #52
JKCalhoun wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be enough energy for both?

Illegally breaking Flock cameras makes you look like a conspiracy nut or radical to the average Joe and make them sceptical of any privacy movements by association.

I would disagree. I feel like typical Americans value freedom and privacy rights very highly.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by danvoell »

Counter point - I live in a major-ish city in which our police force isn't as strong as the surrounding suburbs so I don't mind a few extra eyes on the streets. My kids like to explore the neighborhood and I like a little extra peace of mind.

Re: At least 25 Flock cameras have been destroyed in five states since April 2025

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Post by amazingamazing »

zug_zug wrote: post #75
amazingamazing wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what are you advocating for?

For throwing the tea into the harbor. By the way -- Where do you stand on throwing tea into the harbor? And where do you stand on the legitimacy of publicly discussing throwing tea into the harbor?

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