Europe is never going to have sovereignty in a lot of areas. A vassal of the US or a vassal of China. Pick your poison.
If it ever comes to that, we'll pick China, thanks
So you’d enjoy being like the free and happy people of Tibet then, eh?
Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#72Europe is never going to have sovereignty in a lot of areas. A vassal of the US or a vassal of China. Pick your poison.
A vassal of California. I know we like to say that tech is the US but that's not true. It is almost completely focused around a small part of California. Take that out and Europe and the US are comparable with respect to software tech at least.
Europe has a golden chance with the current mass outflux of talent from the US and I really hope we grasp it. I just don't see my country (NL) doing that as our political class are nearly as stupid as the Americans.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#73they already lost it but I guess it takes time to acknowledge it? Europe does not have capital or structures to catch up, it can't change in 2 years
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#74The only thing that can “save Europe” is US embargo, otherwise doesn’t make sense to do replication of the US effort whatsoever. In US the AI is a private effort, in Europe there are no businesses that are interested in investing such large amounts of money when they can benefit from US made AI. In China they don’t have this option to use the US offerings so they must invest, be it the government or the business that…
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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems fairly plausible that they will become useful. I would not consider coding requiring vastly better AI models than the best we have today. The more interesting question is what advantages excess intelligence provides in the future more generally (warfare, system management, etc)
> fairly plausible Based on what? is that a feeling or based on evidence?
The trajectory all models are taking, while software development requirements continue to stay fairly level – at least I don't see why they wouldn't. We will still mostly need reliable, boring software.
I don't see why Mistral would stop getting better. It will, just more slowly. Eventually it will be good enough, and continue to be good enough.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#76A quick search of revenue of google and facebook (in billions) 2015-2020. Is that so hard to understand that there is an entire economy wrapped around AI/IOT? Didn´t Europe learn anything from historic data?
Google Facebook
2015 $67.80B* $17.93B Google segment revenue (Alphabet restructuring). Total Alphabet: $74.98B
2016 $81.30B $25.76B Google segment revenue. Total Alphabet: $89.55B
2017 $100.10B $40.65B Google segment revenue. Total Alphabet: $109.46B
2018 $128.90B $55.84B Google segment revenue. Total Alphabet: $136.82B
2019 $143.90B $70.70B Google segment revenue. Total Alphabet: $161.86B
2020 $152.70B $85.97B *Google segment revenue. Total Alphabet: $182.53B
Europe gdp for same years (in trillions): 2015 16.89 2016 16.88 2017 17.88 2018 18.89 2019 19.31 2020 17.42 Now by simple math a healthy gdp growth is around 4%, so just by creating and/or backing up 2 similar companies (in Europe) will revenue ~2.5% of the total entire European gdp. What is going on, are the European Leaders sabotaging our economy on purpose?
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#77As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.
How do you divorce being a European principally from being willing to pay taxes? What part of being uniquely European do you value that does not fundamentally require taxes?
So just because someone is born in Europe they should automatically believe that the taxation system is flawless and salaries sufficient?
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#78As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.
How do you divorce being a European principally from being willing to pay taxes? What part of being uniquely European do you value that does not fundamentally require taxes?
I have to say, I visited Zurich once, and everything was clean, organized, civilized, and pretty. Friends told me taxes are high but you get great education, great healthcare, decent disposable income, and good transportation. If you get laid off, the state continues paying your previous salary for one (two?) years.
If everything is taken care of me from taxes, why do I need money? Take it all.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#79As a European I want mistral and EU to do well. But at the same time, I wouldn’t actually give up my well paid engineering job outside of EU to even entertain working for them in EU. Too low salaries and too high taxes.
How do you divorce being a European principally from being willing to pay taxes? What part of being uniquely European do you value that does not fundamentally require taxes?
Not OP but to respond to your question, like everything, there is a scale to this question. Would you give to the state 30% of your income to pay for public services? Most people would say yes.
What about 40%? 50%?
Most people agree that taxes need to be paid for the common good of society. However, many people disagree about the correct amount and increasingly about the usage of said taxes.
That is the real problem in my opinion.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#80The only thing that can “save Europe” is US embargo, otherwise doesn’t make sense to do replication of the US effort whatsoever. In US the AI is a private effort, in Europe there are no businesses that are interested in investing such large amounts of money when they can benefit from US made AI. In China they don’t have this option to use the US offerings so they must invest, be it the government or the business that…
The China example was such a massive blunder (from the perspective of US soft power). Like you say, it created a captive market for Chinese chips where Chinese companies might've otherwise bought foreign chips. That's inbuilt demand. But China also has something Europe doesn't and that's central planning. China has realized that chipmaking and AI are issues of national security. Europe just doesn't have that level of…
> don't see fascist takeovers in the UK, France or Germany
The horseshoe theory is in full swing lately, in UK after right wing libertarian rule came the left wing labour and now it’s once again the right wingers. They again won’t solve anything and more swings will happen until someone realizes that it’s the US trade that isn’t working.
The rest of Europe is similar, they just happen to have more damping as most have fractured parliaments with no one having majority but the general direction change is happening regardless. People aren’t going to be like “tough luck, we choose poorly to rely on US and we will be permanent underclass from now on”.