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Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Agree with this article, and I almost threw up in my mouth when I read this quote from Stephen Levy: > By the end of this decade, it’s unlikely that people will swipe on their phones to tap on Uber or Lyft. They will just tell their always-on AI agent to get them home. Or that agent will have already figured out where they need to go, and the car will be waiting without the friction of a request. “There’s an app for…

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Re: AI is a technology not a product

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another "ai is inherently evil" take coming from the "ai is inherently evil" blog. i agree that specific implementations of a technology (claude, gemini, qwen) are never neutral but any tech itself (llms as a concept) is neutral you can implement it in any way you want. you can make a llm trained on diverse data, tuned for anti fascist opinions, using solar power and recycled hardware to be carbon neutral. the reason…

"Nuclear bombs are neutral"

Nuclear bombs yes, but what about nuclear physics?

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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> Was it really that difficult to build a generic website with a template before? Yes. Code looks intimidating if you aren't used to it (and don't have an IDE). And there are lots of steps between having a file of code and having a hosted website.

I don’t see how a llm solves this. It’s not like a llm hosts the website. Sites like squarespace and Wordpress let you modify your site without ever seeing code. They have graphical editors that you can stay in if you wish. I agree llms help, though if you use a product .

I know how to set up a static HTML site in about 15 minutes. Building a website to host there usually takes me the better part of a weekend, and usually ends up looking absolutely terrible.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Agree with this article, and I almost threw up in my mouth when I read this quote from Stephen Levy: > By the end of this decade, it’s unlikely that people will swipe on their phones to tap on Uber or Lyft. They will just tell their always-on AI agent to get them home. Or that agent will have already figured out where they need to go, and the car will be waiting without the friction of a request. “There’s an app for…

> [...] broadcast that they're so important and busy that they can't take the 5 seconds [...]

It takes a lot more than 5 seconds to make an informed decision these days. Apps and websites are throwing abusive fine print and dark patterns at users left and right.

I'd be absolutely thrilled to e.g. not have to interact with the Uber app and all its dark patterns if there were somebody or something I could trust to competently represent my interests.

That said, that's a big if, i.e., whether commercial LLMs or agents will be able to do that, given the overwhelming pressure to just take money from both sides of the transaction and skew the decision.

But if it does happen, I actually see this as a huge potential factor strengthening smaller suppliers directly competing with large platforms. If my agent can independently figure out if a given supplier is trustworthy, whether their terms and conditions are reasonable etc., I'd be much more willing to engage with them outside of a large platform.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Steve already gave away the secret [1] (must watch) a long time ago: "You have to work backwards from the customer experience." AI was never going to be on Apple's roadmap in a significant way because it's in their DNA to differentiate technology from products. [1] https://youtu.be/oeqPrUmVz-o?si=ndUU1H5D3pNifWss

"You have to work backwards from the customer experience."

answer... ditch phone/screen, just have an earpod you talk to.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Steve already gave away the secret [1] (must watch) a long time ago: "You have to work backwards from the customer experience." AI was never going to be on Apple's roadmap in a significant way because it's in their DNA to differentiate technology from products. [1] https://youtu.be/oeqPrUmVz-o?si=ndUU1H5D3pNifWss

"Working backwards" is also, famously, Amazon's philosophy. It's one of my most cherished takeaways from working there.

AWS had great culture when I worked there, maybe they still do. The leadership principles are universal and I don't know of any other company that took their principles so seriously.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Absolutely agreed. It feels like tech companies forgot that they are supposed to add value to users. Theyve been shoving random AI usecases down their users throats with no regard for whether it works for the users flow or not. When theres so much value to be had from AI in normal products. Claude code is the best in this right now, probably because the engineers themselves are users. This isnt unprecedented, its wha…

> When theres so much value to be had from AI in normal products. Please elaborate

Fuzzy search

Reverse dictionary

Stack Overflow clone, except you're guaranteed to get an unreliable answer promptly instead of waiting for a human to give it

OCR, with new and exciting failure modes

Machine translation, with new and exciting failure modes

Endless possibilities for exploiting the stupid and ignorant while destroying the web in the process

Note that only the first two are unalloyed good, and they can be done with embeddings without generative AI.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Replace search for one.

Proper search is far more powerful. I can set the weights for the results to various parameters, focusing on certain metadata in particular. Sad to see popular search tools have gone stupid in recent years. But search is still very powerful and Imo ai is no replacement for good search. An example of a powerful search engine is pubmed and the logic you can craft in your queries.

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Re: AI is a technology not a product

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Replace search for one.

Proper search is far more powerful. I can set the weights for the results to various parameters, focusing on certain metadata in particular. Sad to see popular search tools have gone stupid in recent years. But search is still very powerful and Imo ai is no replacement for good search. An example of a powerful search engine is pubmed and the logic you can craft in your queries.

Right. It's deterministic, and determinism should be the goal. It's not metaphysical. Some users know what they want while others do not. The software we create (by any means) should give users who know what they want the tools to find it, and guide those who don't until they do. Software exists to help us create our fate. It surprises me how many people are willing to relinquish that control or never wanted it, even within our ranks, by using AI to simplify experiences. IMHO, the optimization for most, but not perhaps not all, tools is to introduce AI internally to refine, create and expose more parameters, not less. Search is a perfect example of this.

Re: AI is a technology not a product

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another "ai is inherently evil" take coming from the "ai is inherently evil" blog. i agree that specific implementations of a technology (claude, gemini, qwen) are never neutral but any tech itself (llms as a concept) is neutral you can implement it in any way you want. you can make a llm trained on diverse data, tuned for anti fascist opinions, using solar power and recycled hardware to be carbon neutral. the reason…

AI harbours evil, because unskilled people tend to trust it blindly. People have already been evicted, arrested and harassed by police simply because they choose to trust technology that flags or "recognizes" them, with no proof that they can trust it. This happens automatically. Thus, AI should be treated as potentially malicious, especially when it is sold as neutral.

do computers harbor evil? the thing AI runs on? the thing that has kind of facilitated all the bad things you mentioned with normal boring algorithms?

does electricity harbor evil?

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