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Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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Its sad thing but in every society there appears to be a significant portion of people who support the tenants of fascism. The whole 'that minority group over there is wrecking things for you, we will punish them' vibe seems to really strike a chord time and time again.

There's a peer-reviewed study of this that appeared in the last couple of years that showed the percent support for authoritarian rule tends to hover around 20% worldwide regardless of country, plus or minus some fuzz amount. I can't find it now because I keep finding other papers but this is another report that's is pretty consistent with it: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/28/who-likes... Once you g…

There is research that suggests that our brain composition determines our political ideology. More or less gray matter in different parts of brain determine where we land on spectrum of progressive, liberal, conservative, authoritarian.

https://www.psypost.org/authoritarian-attitudes-linked-to-al...

https://youtu.be/t-hwrIkTNFo?si=V3TKg-3dqc1htQBU

Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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It's funny how much democracies with free speech are always self critical with rampant doom saying while actual autocracies that crack down on this kind of speech are quiet and content when economic times are good only really cracking at the seams during distress. I know its a healthy part of democracy but it is very draining.

The problem is that America is not in a terribly healthy democratic state, and pretty much all of the indicators show it. At best, America is a "flawed democracy" ala The Economist. The worst evaluations label America as a "hybrid regime" / "competitive authoritarianism" / "electoral autocracy" or many other terms to describe a democracy-on-the-surface that has, in reality, become heavily titled in favor of one party rule.

The problems extend well beyond one party (see: Citizen United), but to me, the "fascism"-ish stuff is mostly concentrated on one end. It has been clear for a long time that the Republican Party has embraced the "illiberal democracy" model of Viktor Orbán. Orbán's government never got to the full-on violent oppression used in actual autocracies, but instead used many of the tools that the Republican party uses today to attempt to stay in power. That being: gerrymandering and other aggressive vote meddling; media manipulation (not full on censorship, but attempting to ensure that dominant media voices were party line); propaganda using social / culture war rhetoric; and government pressure on institutions (schools, businesses, etc.) to destroy independence, and force conformity to the party line.

There are differences between the two -- Orbán never attempted anything like ICE or the immigrant detention camps, but Orbán was able to capture the judiciary better than Republicans have so far. But it's the closet comparison I can think of.

Some of the characteristics of the "Orbán style" do share some similarities with fascism... however the "Orbán style" lacks classic fascism (along with the more direct cousin of "the Vladimir Putin style")'s full on authoritarianism. But as the above demonstrates, there isn't a term right now that neatly encapsulates hybrid governments at the moment, so I guess that is why folks are running with the term everyone knows. Besides, there is always the danger of a hybrid regime backsliding into an authoritarian regime. Russia, who many do see as a modern flavor of authoritarian fascism at present, was rated as a "hybrid regime" in The Economist in 2006.

Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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> the tech billionaires might have a vested interest in making sure stories like this get flagged Interestingly, this "anyone with an opinion different from mine must be a paid shill" argument doesn't pop quite as often in the discussions about Clovis Culture tools, Roman Empire letters, or pre-Linotype typesetting -- the fact that makes me think that maybe keeping politics out of HN is actually a good thing.

Meanwhile, America's tech CEOs are gifting the president with gold statues and accompanying him on diplomatic trips.

I don't live in the US so this doesn't quite enrage me, especially since I'm aware that every US president gets tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars in donations to their election campaigns, so a gold statue does not look like a big deal when compared to that.

Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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>Otherwise it quickly becomes politics all day everyday. No, it doesn't. This is one of Hacker News' weird phobias but it doesn't reflect reality. I know the mods believe it too so there's no point in debating it but even Reddit isn't politics all day every day. The nature of the community here is a self-correcting mechanism. This thread is not a flamewar, the posted article isn't low quality (certainly not on a foru…

> The nature of the community here is a self-correcting mechanism. It looks like the community has deployed its self-correcting mechanism in this case.

133 points, 66 comments. Maybe people want to discuss fascism.

Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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> support for a dictatorial leader Yes. Trump > centralized autocracy Totally. Wars without congress permission, illegal tariffs, etc > forcible suppression of opposition Yes. Rigging elections. Making difficult for oppositors to vote > belief in a natural social hierarchy Totally. White supremacism. Proud boys, ICE... > subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race Yes. ICE.…

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> Trump is not authoritarian

The better discussion is:

1. Does he aspire to be authoritarian or does he prefer to do work with congress, scotus, and independent agencies?

2. Has he expanded presidential power, formally or informally?

Re: Ten Signs of Fascism. America has all of them

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As a German, I started wondering if every nation has to experience a fascist catastrophe on its own, before a majority agrees that a fascist takeover is possible at home (surely the peoples who failed to stop all the other fascist regimes were just dumb). Then again, 30% of German voters would vote for the fascist AfD party today, so there's that... I agree with the premise of the article wholeheartedly. Minor nitpic…

The problem with needing to experience fascism to worry about it is that the lesson will fade too quickly to be useful. 5 generations, maybe, before the majority have forgotten.

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> Welcome to Hacker News. Blood in the streets doesn't spark curious conversation so let's talk about compilers! Probably for the better. Otherwise it quickly becomes politics all day everyday. There are plenty of other places where you can get that already.

I have not found any good places. (Perhaps that's the point though.)

Politics every day, sadly, says something about the times we're living in. We probably could have blissfully ignored politics in the early days of the internet—hopefully can again some day…

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