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I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by rbanffy »

darkwater wrote: post #17
rbanffy wrote: post #2

One interesting techno-signature a civilization that happened hundreds of millions of years ago would be odd mineral deposits. It's never the Silurians, but it's fun to pretend we found something interesting.

Or, it's just another spin of the anthropomorphism bias we have. If anyone found those mineral what, 50 years ago? or let's say 150 to predate every quantum theory possibility... well, they would have been just nice and weird crystals with 0 importance, just because we didn't know about their properties. But now they have suddenly a meaning so hey, maybe it's somebody like us, smart as us, that created them many eons…

I think the funniest part is the purity. I wouldn’t expect a natural material would be purer than something made in a lab with the explicit goal of making it pure and regular. Structure being regular could be an effect of conditions that we don’t want to pay for in the lab, but the purity is weird. I am sure the explanation (and there is a natural one) is very interesting and might open up some avenues for simpler manufacturing of the material.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by perching_aix »

dekhn wrote: post #66
perching_aix wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're a bad judge of what comments are botted?

I didn't say it was a bot comment, I said it looks like a bot comment. Many of the shorts Youtube shows me are almost identical to that message.

So are you like, tentative about it, or did you conclude that it isn't a bot comment in the end? If the latter, what was the ultimate rationale? Did you check their post history or something?

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by [deleted] »

dekhn wrote: post #66
perching_aix wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're a bad judge of what comments are botted?

I didn't say it was a bot comment, I said it looks like a bot comment. Many of the shorts Youtube shows me are almost identical to that message.

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Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

nemomarx wrote: post #68
ninalanyon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia behaves the same way, exports ore to China and buys back the refined products. Both countries have abundant energy (hydro and solar) but have old fashioned mining interests in charge.

Why do the mining interests prefer exporting it to selling to some local processor? you could probably get similar prices and the transport wouldn't be as complex, right?

Given the comparative economies of scale, you would probably get lower quality of product, and potentially higher prices, if a local processor exists at all.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by Brian_K_White »

perching_aix wrote: post #62
dekhn wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this looks like those bot comments on youtube videos.

Maybe you're a bad judge of what comments are botted?

Rather you're a bad comprehender of what words mean.

What they said was what it looks like, and in fact it does look exactly like what they said.

The comment contains the exact same content and value as a bot comment. It doesn't matter who or what wrote it, the critique of the comment itself holds water.

So the critique was not "a bot wrote this" it was "either a bot wrote this, or a human wrote a comment that is no better than the ones bots write".

You know what else a human might do even worse than a bot a lot of times? A bot would read this and apologize for getting something so wrong.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by nemomarx »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #74
nemomarx wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do the mining interests prefer exporting it to selling to some local processor? you could probably get similar prices and the transport wouldn't be as complex, right?

Given the comparative economies of scale, you would probably get lower quality of product, and potentially higher prices, if a local processor exists at all.

Sure, which is bad for the consumer of copper. But the mining companies don't have an obvious reason to be unhappy about that? the smaller local market won't have any alternative sources and might have to pay them more if it existed so you'd think they would be encouraging some small local smelters or etc if anything. It would be everyone else who buys copper who has reason to be against doing it locally

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by darkwater »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #32
darkwater wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, it's just another spin of the anthropomorphism bias we have. If anyone found those mineral what, 50 years ago? or let's say 150 to predate every quantum theory possibility... well, they would have been just nice and weird crystals with 0 importance, just because we didn't know about their properties. But now they have suddenly a meaning so hey, maybe it's somebody like us, smart as us, that created them many eons…

What does it matter when something was realized versus its anthropomorphism? Didn't some guy use a huge rock as a doorstop before someone realized it was gold and worth a lot. It was gold before it was realized it was gold. What did it's discover matter? It didn't change what it was. The worth as 'gold' is totally superimposed by the humans.

It means that if you remove the meaning humans give to to, it's much easier to explain it as a coincidence, something that is produced naturally and it just happens to have the right property (for any value of property).

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by bigyabai »

nemomarx wrote: post #76
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the comparative economies of scale, you would probably get lower quality of product, and potentially higher prices, if a local processor exists at all.

Sure, which is bad for the consumer of copper. But the mining companies don't have an obvious reason to be unhappy about that? the smaller local market won't have any alternative sources and might have to pay them more if it existed so you'd think they would be encouraging some small local smelters or etc if anything. It would be everyone else who buys copper who has reason to be against doing it locally

> the smaller local market won't have any alternative sources

Ea-nāṣir will still receive complaints, presumably.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by jandrewrogers »

nemomarx wrote: post #68
ninalanyon wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia behaves the same way, exports ore to China and buys back the refined products. Both countries have abundant energy (hydro and solar) but have old fashioned mining interests in charge.

Why do the mining interests prefer exporting it to selling to some local processor? you could probably get similar prices and the transport wouldn't be as complex, right?

The cost of refining ore varies widely based on electricity, regulatory, and other costs. Proximity to the end user of the refined product also figures into it. Shipping bulk materials is very inexpensive. Buyers in other countries with low refining costs can pay prices that would bankrupt a local refiner and still make a profit.

This is common for bulk industrial materials. For example, it is cheaper for many countries to send their crude oil to the US to be refined than for them to refine it themselves.

Re: I found ultra-pure quantum crystals in an abandoned mine in the Atacama desert

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Post by perching_aix »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #75
perching_aix wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're a bad judge of what comments are botted?

Rather you're a bad comprehender of what words mean. What they said was what it looks like, and in fact it does look exactly like what they said. The comment contains the exact same content and value as a bot comment. It doesn't matter who or what wrote it, the critique of the comment itself holds water. So the critique was not "a bot wrote this" it was "either a bot wrote this, or a human wrote a comment that is no…

I can play this game too:

I never actually said they are a bad judge of what comments are botted, just merely suggested it as a possibility.

Otherwise:

https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html

https://youtu.be/IJEaMtNN_dM

Suffice to say, I'd thus kindly reject being a "bad comprehender of what words mean", thank you very much. It was a perfectly reasonable initial reading of their comment as far as I'm concerned. It's ambiguous. Happens.

The fact that "is this AI? this is AI." is a damn near fixture of every thread these days, doesn't help.

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