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US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#71

Has anyone done the math on how many jobs AI has to replace in order to justify current valuations? Would be interesting to see imo

My back of the napkin was a floor of five to ten percent just to break even with the physical buildout + a couple of years of energy bills.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#72
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It does not matter at this stage is an excuse for layoffs or not. The entire world should impose sanctions on the US for the largest IP theft in history until the laundering companies are illegal (and the waterways closed due to US wars are open). If this administration works against its people and the whole world, maybe there should be a regime change. Peaceful version of Jan 6th. All the unemployed have little to l…

Let the entire world impose sanctions on China first if they care about intellectual theft

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDP is not suffering — quite the opposite, 2% real annual growth in Q1 — so recession is definitionally inaccurate.

We’ll need new terms if Musk and Altman make infinity GDP and everyone else is unemployable.

Let's use percentage of people below the poverty line ( the actual poverty line is estimated between 97k(single) - 145k(family with children)

Anybody reading hackernews that cares about GDP growth is profoundly misinformed.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/income-needed-get-ahead-145k-ha...

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#74

This is intentional. Companies are actively trying to develop capabilities to replace humans. I am surprised there are not enough protests against this.

I am happy to see them replace humans with AI machines. However, housing, healthcare, and other insurances have become super expensive. Who is going to buy all the stuff these companies produce? Maybe, it will become a two tier economy: wealthy selling stuff to fellow wealthy people; under ground economy with bartering their trades for food, building shacks for living, flea market dentists, old Wild West style flea market medical doctors selling potions, elixirs, dry lizard oil, etc.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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I think people are blaming AI for a recession caused by trump’s tarrifs and the oil crisis. Businesses fear that oil prices may explode until enough of the economy enters a recession that oil demand decreases, and are already feeling the supply crunch

This comment is completely divorced from the facts given in the article. The main point is that certain types of jobs like customer service reps, secretaries and sales people are being disproportionately affected. If it was just general fears about the economy overall one would expect a more broad-based impact.

Are the jobs going away because of AI being applied or is AI being applied because those jobs are going away? You see lots of life jackets being worn as a ship is sinking; doesn't mean people putting on the life jackets made the ship sink.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is completely divorced from the facts given in the article. The main point is that certain types of jobs like customer service reps, secretaries and sales people are being disproportionately affected. If it was just general fears about the economy overall one would expect a more broad-based impact.

If you replace customer service with LLMs I will look for a way to stop doing business with you.

Competitors will be using LLM too.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#77

This is intentional. Companies are actively trying to develop capabilities to replace humans. I am surprised there are not enough protests against this.

i tried to protest forced-ai use at my company on the basis of it being a workplace hazard and was promptly emailed by their lawyers

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#78

That thing that reassures me is that I kind of think most people in software aren't doing much useful work anyway, so if the whole thing was really driven by hiring the fewest humans possible to get the work done, companies probably could have fired half of us even without AI.

This is a conspiracy theory, but I suspect that VC-backed tech industry overhiring circa 2020/2021 was partially done to give this impression.

I don't think so. During that time the potential of LLMs to eliminate work wasn't obvious. That was pre-hype explosion.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#80

That thing that reassures me is that I kind of think most people in software aren't doing much useful work anyway, so if the whole thing was really driven by hiring the fewest humans possible to get the work done, companies probably could have fired half of us even without AI.

I think the bigger issue is that management clearly have no idea how to tell which people are actually working. Output could be higher with less people but the situation that managers have crafted is the maximum number of people with minimum level of output. Not good. The answer to every problem at my place is: more headcount, productivity drops further and further, more headcount, more headcount.

Because that's the incentive that management faces. Their promotion is dependent upon having more headcount under them. The key metric in their resume that determines which jobs they are qualified for is how many people did they manage. They don't personally pay for that headcount. If they meet some baseline of output people don't really ask questions (or are able to judge) whether that headcount was necessary. So of course they seek more headcount.

I suspect the economy would look very different if total headcount in a manager's org was the denominator in a manager's performance review, such that if you employ 10x as many people, you better have generated 10x as much profit. But this would also have lots of unintended consequences: management would be incentivized to employ as few people as possible, which means lots of people would be out of work and would be competing with your firm.

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