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The Zulip Foundation

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Re: The Zulip Foundation

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We used zulip at work 7 years until I had to leave when the startup had to cut down development. We didn't pay a cent (which is not good for the project...) It was truly enjoyable software. Nowadays I am forced to use Microsoft Teams, which is largely non-functional bullshit. We pay real money to the disgusting company.

Where do I find a list of employers using zulip?

Re: The Zulip Foundation

#72
post #34

Gotta love the frontier labs annihilating open source projects left and right either by acquiring them directly or stealing the teams.

As we do our best to explain in the post: The Zulip project is very much not being annihilated. There are 220 people from all over the world who have contributed 20 or more commits to Zulip, and thousands more who've contributed code, volunteer translations, ideas, thoughtful questions, and in so many other ways. Personally, I find remarks like this to be extremely disrespectful to all of those wonderful people and t…

I don't disagree with you in general terms, but what % of total commits or code change came from you and the three others leaving? A long lived long tail is great, but it still often dies out when you cut the head

Re: The Zulip Foundation

#73

Gotta love the frontier labs annihilating open source projects left and right either by acquiring them directly or stealing the teams.

I appreciate that in this case, the developers who were hired away considered it their responsibility to keep the project and company going independently of themselves, and ensuring it could continue to employ the ~dozen developers who are staying with it to maintain and develop the project. That seems substantially better than the usual approach (of either an acquihire leading to an immediate shutdown or an acquisit…

I think at least some skepticism about independency is warranted when the board of directors is 3/4 Anthropic employees. Zulip is an awesome tool, and I want to assume good faith here, but it’s really hard to interpret this as anything other than acquihiring, especially given how industry is prone to using intermediary non-profits for things they actually control.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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post #74

Is the content visible to search engines yet? That was the deal-breaker when I looked into it for handling an open source community. No discoverability

which communication tool is offering that? except web forums, discourse?

most others you need to go an extra step to make the messages public, like mailing list archives.

there is this: https://github.com/zulip/zulip-archive

i haven't used it, just saying that solutions exist.

and with the constant hammering of sites by AI bots you probably don't want them hitting a dynamic message interface but prefer a static copy.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

#76

> It’s hard these days to feel confident that a company whose product you love won’t yield to commercial pressure and start selling your data, putting in ads, or otherwise violating your trust. It’s been a challenge to convincingly make the case that this won’t happen to Zulip, especially to folks who might not have time to investigate deeply. The Zulip Foundation, which has the goal of serving the public good, makes…

PS. With the sincerity out of the way - can't wait for the upcoming Rust rewrite!

If the team were to rewrite the server, I would love to see considerations for reducing the the supply chain surface.

Was recently attempting to build the server in a Yocto recipe which means downloading sources for all dependencies ahead of time. The biggest challenge was the pip dependency and transitive dependency list. Each entry here is not only an additional packaging requirement, but another ongoing obligation to monitor for CVEs.

Would love to see Zulip server as a golang binary.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is any chat app complicated with 3 people?

Have you used Zulip? The UX is basically chat for vim and tmux users. It doesn’t “feel” like chatting. Not exactly user friendly.

Well yes, I've used most of the main players. What exactly isn't user friendly about it? You can't find the conversation?

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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post #38

Long-time Zulip advocate; I've (successfully) pushed for it at two organisations, so genuinely, thanks for building something worth that effort. One thing I'd like to understand better: how does the Foundation intend to keep its mandate narrow? The Mozilla comparison in the post is one I find cuts both ways... technically excellent product, foundation that drifted considerably from "make the browser good." The adviso…

Mozilla has had the unusual situation of having an enormous revenue stream from Google. It is reasonable in that situation to build some adjacent things that support the mission. MDN is amazing, for example! Rust was too! I do feel Mozilla has lost its way, and I think it would be crazy to spend resources available to the Zulip Foundation on projects that don't directly advance Zulip or its community.

I think the question presupposes that we solve the hardest problem for a new non-profit: Funding. We would be very lucky if Zulip with 1% of Mozilla's funding; we could do so so much with that scale of resources.

The biggest risk to Zulip's ability to succeed over the next few years is not risk of spending time on side projects. It's risk of not having the financial resources even to hire remarkable people who want to take a big pay cut to work on Zulip.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

#79
post #17

For those looking for more context on Zulip, we did a major release a couple weeks ago: https://blog.zulip.com/2026/04/27/zulip-12-0-released/ .

Thanks for your work on Zulip and for everything you did to increase its availability to the masses. Your work was important. Congratulations on your new position at Anthropic. I wish you well in this new chapter of your life.

Re: The Zulip Foundation

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post #78
post #38

Long-time Zulip advocate; I've (successfully) pushed for it at two organisations, so genuinely, thanks for building something worth that effort. One thing I'd like to understand better: how does the Foundation intend to keep its mandate narrow? The Mozilla comparison in the post is one I find cuts both ways... technically excellent product, foundation that drifted considerably from "make the browser good." The adviso…

Mozilla has had the unusual situation of having an enormous revenue stream from Google. It is reasonable in that situation to build some adjacent things that support the mission. MDN is amazing, for example! Rust was too! I do feel Mozilla has lost its way, and I think it would be crazy to spend resources available to the Zulip Foundation on projects that don't directly advance Zulip or its community. I think the que…

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