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Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by jklinger410 »

nurple wrote: post #5

> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…

> then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota

How?

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by EvanAnderson »

chzblck wrote: post #46

I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.

I cannot imagine the lack of concern about my privacy that it would take to make me daily-drive a car that hadn't been put through this process.

(I dread the day my 2007 Civic is no longer usable.)

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by b112 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #72
chzblck wrote: post #46

I cannot imagine the paranoia that it would take for me to go through this process.

I cannot imagine the lack of concern about my privacy that it would take to make me daily-drive a car that hadn't been put through this process. (I dread the day my 2007 Civic is no longer usable.)

Not to mention, people kept saying "Who cares, you're being silly" then multiple companies were caught selling into to insurance companies.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by colordrops »

jklinger410 wrote: post #71
nurple wrote: post #5

> Even after the modem is removed, if you connect your phone to the car via Bluetooth then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota. However, if you use a wired USB connection then it does not do that (see the discussion here and elsewhere), so I exclusively use CarPlay via USB. The problem with this is that both carplay and android auto capture their o…

> then the car will use your phone as an internet connection and send all the same telemetry data back to Toyota How?

They are probably confusing google auto with bluetooth.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by disastronaut »

threecheese wrote: post #15
p00ter wrote: post #2

There's going to be a lot of this going on in the future. RabbitLabs CAN Commander go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I though this was just a crazy commenter, but here: https://rabbit-labs.com/product/cancommander/ Crazy commenter, tell us a little about this. Can I use it on any Can bus?

CAN is a protocol, but the messages on the bus are implementation specific. Yes, you can use it on any CAN bus, but there's no guarantee that you will be able to decode the traffic. Some modern CAN networks are encrypted, too, because it's trivial to view the traffic. https://kentindell.github.io/2021/01/02/can2-wireshark/ has a great guide on decoding traffic with sigrok.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by analogpixel »

jmward01 wrote: post #69

We need more posts like this. I'd love a follow-up where instead of removing it injects fake data to the system. I am tired of passively being digitally assaulted. If they are going to do this to me without my knowing consent I want to fight back.

I'm always surprised there aren't more projects that just pump random data back into all of these system. I think awhile back there was a plugin that would click on every advertisement it saw over and over, but got shutdown for some reason. But how hard is it to just have everyone inject nonstop data to all of these tracking systems? if nothing else a drive somewhere is going to eventually fill up.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by rllearneratwork »

jmward01 wrote: post #69

We need more posts like this. I'd love a follow-up where instead of removing it injects fake data to the system. I am tired of passively being digitally assaulted. If they are going to do this to me without my knowing consent I want to fight back.

this is great idea! Hackers of Hacker News let's have more projects to overwhelm bad actors with bad data. Perhaps using OSS LLMs for that.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by stefan_ »

fullstop wrote: post #40
threecheese wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I though this was just a crazy commenter, but here: https://rabbit-labs.com/product/cancommander/ Crazy commenter, tell us a little about this. Can I use it on any Can bus?

From what I understand the CAN traffic on my vehicle is encrypted. Clearly this does not apply to all of the traffic, as I can fetch some OBD2 data with a generic dongle.

The data on the OBD2 port is legally mandated, so can't be encrypted. But besides encryption CAN buses in a car are also separated, the bus on the OBD2 plug often can't even talk to the most interesting components.

Re: Removing the modem and GPS from my 2024 RAV4 hybrid

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Post by matheusmoreira »

jmward01 wrote: post #69

We need more posts like this. I'd love a follow-up where instead of removing it injects fake data to the system. I am tired of passively being digitally assaulted. If they are going to do this to me without my knowing consent I want to fight back.

Yeah, like AdNauseam. We're way too polite when it comes to these exploitative corporations. Start poisoning their data sets. Start costing them as much money as humanly possible. Drive their returns on investments as close to zero as possible, ideally well into the negatives.
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