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Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by reillyse »

daedrdev wrote: post #38

The US has had an embargo on Cuba for a long time that exempted Food and Medicine, while other countries freely traded with Cuba. However, under the Trump admin it has turned into a de-facto blockade of all fuel, which really isn't the embargo, it's a new blockade by the US against Cuba. So I don't get why we blame it on the embargo when the current problems are clearly caused by the blockade. Cuba's previous economi…

but what has changed right now in this particular situation, is the fact that they are blockaded since January.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by imvgikviktbt »

elmomle wrote: post #59
Manuel_D wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. The US and other countries are refusing to trade with Cuba, but plenty of other countries can and do trade with Cuba. Cuba is not entitled to trade with the US. A blockade is when a country stops traffic, from entering a country's ports. It's an act of war, and a totally different thing from an embargo.

The US has been seizing fuel shipments en route to Cuba. What do you call that, if not a blockade?

The Cuban government embargoes their own citizens. I don't understand why there isn't more criticism there.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Tangurena2 »

api wrote: post #56
mlmonkey wrote: post #4

I don't really understand the point of the embargo. I am an American. Picking on a tiny country like Cuba serves no purpose. The elites in Cuba are not going to suffer; the normal people will. Instead of acting like a bully, I wish our government would be more magnanimous and just drop the embargo.

There's a sizable Cuban-American community that hates the regimes and wants to use the USA to overthrow it, and they're a swing voting bloc in Florida which has a lot of electoral votes. That's the point. Deciding the Cold War is over, other countries get to decide their own political affairs, and normalizing trade with Cuba would benefit Americans. That's also a minor gripe I have with the leftists who call this imp…

There is a lot of spite involved in making this a "lose-lose" situation. Never underestimate the power of spite.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

ceejayoz wrote: post #54
Manuel_D wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What legal justification could there possibly be for imposing a tarrif on Mexico-Cuba trade that doesn't involve the US at any point? What would your reaction be if China imposed tariffs on US-Canadian border crossings and seized American ships over it?

A tariff is a tax that a country imposes on goods entering its borders. A country can impose a tariff on any country, at any time, for whatever reason (unless they've signed free trade agreements obligating them to refrain from imposing tariffs).

> What would your reaction be if China imposed tariffs on US-Canadian border crossings and seized American ships over it?

Again, the ships in being sized were flying false flags, which is illegal. If American ships decided to take this criminal act, then China is justified in enforcing the law.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by luizfzs »

oceanplexian wrote: post #20
WaxProlix wrote: post #6

What we're doing to the Cuban people with this blockade is criminal. I don't expect to see justice in my lifetime. What a miserable state of affairs.

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Trade in US Dollars with other countries need to go through US banks, which can be subject to prohibitions, which can be done by political motivation.

Also, the issue of the PetroDollar complicates things internationally as well. US throws a tantrum when small countries (or countries it can bully) trade Oil in other currencies. That is very important to keep themselves relevant and with some control over international trades.

Yet another aspect is that if any goods, regardless of who is selling it, contains more than 10% of components, technology, produced by a US company, such seller requires an US Export license to trade such goods with Cuba.

So it's not as simple as that.

https://shippingsolutionssoftware.com/blog/products-subject-...

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Post by marknutter »

deadbolt wrote: post #9
jpadkins wrote: post #7

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can't have communists in the western hemisphere. They give up authoritarian communism, we will be magnanimous.

Communism must be absolutely incredible for such a small country to be such a threat to a superpower.

Would you tolerate a fascist country in your back yard?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by imvgikviktbt »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #45
Manuel_D wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. The US and other countries are refusing to trade with Cuba, but plenty of other countries can and do trade with Cuba. Cuba is not entitled to trade with the US. A blockade is when a country stops traffic, from entering a country's ports. It's an act of war, and a totally different thing from an embargo.

> The US is not enforcing a blockade, it's an embargo. Oh, so USA is only forcing their trade partners to embargo Cuba! That makes thing better, right?

Which countries have US forced embargoes on Cuba?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by shimman »

imvgikviktbt wrote: post #72
elmomle wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has been seizing fuel shipments en route to Cuba. What do you call that, if not a blockade?

The Cuban government embargoes their own citizens. I don't understand why there isn't more criticism there.

Well mostly because of the direction actions of imperialism causing the needless deaths of babies but seeing how you seem to be pro-imperialism you probably see this as a good thing for American hegemony. Right up there with bombing school girls in Iran. It's just good diplomacy at that point right?

Friendly reminder that the only people that majorly benefit from US foreign policy are the elites, most US citizens are left with a more dangerous world where they suffer against backlash, terrorism, and degrading life services.

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Post by defen »

ceejayoz wrote: post #54
Manuel_D wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What legal justification could there possibly be for imposing a tarrif on Mexico-Cuba trade that doesn't involve the US at any point? What would your reaction be if China imposed tariffs on US-Canadian border crossings and seized American ships over it?

If we're imagining a world where the US can't stop China from doing that, I'd probably go on the internet and complain about it.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

vrganj wrote: post #68
Manuel_D wrote: post #61

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This ship was flying a false flag [1], which makes it legal for governments to seize regardless of the situation with Cuba. 1. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-we-know-oil-tanker-the-ski...

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Do you not realize that flying a false flag is illegal? It's the maritime equivalent of putting a fake license plate on your car.

I'm seriously baffled at your attempt to equate boarding ships that are breaking maritime law with saying women invite rape by the way they dress.

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