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A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#71

Did people even read the article? Endowment taxes make sense - 1.4% taxes on investment vehicles in the billions just do not make sense. Then the president masquerades enrollment by ignoring the ~4% bump for Sloan (and EECS). Grants / funding though is a different story and worth mentioning/discussing...

The speech makes a lot of arguments. It argues against the endowment tax, which seems politically deaf. But it also cites research-funding cuts (both legal and illegal).

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#72
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> other research institutions will become the new leaders Or the knowledge just goes away, the talent wasted.

Talent wasted in the US maybe, but plenty of professors across the world are doing equivalent work. To think only the US is capable of doing ground breaking research is extremely foolish and an insult to humanity.

Elite human capital isn't normally distributed.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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MIT Current Graduate Student are 41% international. https://facts.mit.edu/enrollment-statistics/

Would be nice to see if this number dipped from before. International students typically end up paying out of station tuition and is a huge source of income for the univs.

That is much less true of grad programs in technical fields. Undergrad, international students are indeed more likely to pay full-boat--or at least larger boat--than US applicants.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#74

This is actually good news for society as a whole. There are way too many people who spend time in grad school only to discover that society doesn't have a job for them. Yes, it's not nice for the people who don't get in, but there's been way too much overproduction.

yeah are you saying society does not have a job for an MIT graduate ? this is mistaken let them learn don't worry they'll find a job thank you for thinking about the job prospects for them since you know better than someone who got admitted to graduate school.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#75

This is actually good news for society as a whole. There are way too many people who spend time in grad school only to discover that society doesn't have a job for them. Yes, it's not nice for the people who don't get in, but there's been way too much overproduction.

How is it better for society that the research never be conducted than that the researchers make less money than they hope to?

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would be nice to see if this number dipped from before. International students typically end up paying out of station tuition and is a huge source of income for the univs.

But not a factor for private universities

Yes, it still is. State/federal aid is still available to students at private universities.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, everyone is worse off. There is nothing good that comes from this.

If you live outside the US, there is.

If everyone loses but you lose less than the people you don’t like, does that make you a winner?

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#78

I read this as saying that MIT is becoming less competitive? Means if you just finished your BS, applying to a PhD program at MIT may be a 20% better bet than before, especially with the job market in its current condition…

Not at all. Notice they said nothing about applications or acceptance rates. It is actually more competitive to get funding.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

#79

Good. The US is reaping what it sows, and other research institutions will become the new leaders. Stinks for Americans, but the world will be better off overall.

Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

Me crying as a South Asian

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #65

> MIT: 20% drop in incoming graduate students This is kind of MIT's choice, right? They could change tuition or admission and have 20% more incoming graduate students.

In STEM, federal grants pay for almost all US PhD students. And the tuition they would charge would never have covered the actual cost. It has always depended on research grants. Which makes sense, a PhD is mostly and apprenticeship in how to do cutting edge research.
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