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Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

anthk wrote: post #46
qsort wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, Windows 2000 is peak UI, I never liked the Frutiger Aero aesthetics. My only criticism is that it was, in a sense, too successful and elements like the taskbar and start menu got ossified and the design stagnated. Apple's F3 show all windows, F4 spotlight is far better. Windows didn't even get multiple desktops until Windows 10. I guess I like the design language but I wouldn't be prepared to give back the…

Frutiger Aero was never called like that. It was just a non-copycat gloss theme cleraly inspired from OSX' Aqua design. Even KDE3 did that for some time (Everaldo/Crystal icons, Keramik...) were rounded, glossy designs were hip and transparencies with XRender were everywere. Both desktops tried to create someting shiny without being too close to Mac OS X. TBH KDE has better themes like the Slick icon set and plain bu…

> Frutiger Aero was never called like that.

Indeed, the term "Frutiger Aero" was not really used among geeks in this time; I had to look up Wikipedia to get its precise meaning:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger_Aero

On the other hand, basically everybody who had an opinion about Windows's design used the official terms

- Windows XP: Luna; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_visual_styles

- Windows Vista, 7: (Windows) Aero: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Aero and Liquid Glass (though the latter is an Apple term): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Glass

- Windows 8, 8.1: Metro; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_(design_language)

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by xg15 »

mk_stjames wrote: post #31

Everyone seems to love the Windows 7 era but for me, Windows peaked GUI-wise with Windows 2000 and everything since then has felt like a poor 'skin' or misplaced 'theme' on top of something else. Windows XP's level of 'plug and play' for devices/drivers ushered in the modern OS feel from a usability standpoint, but from a 'get-shit-done' GUI and responsiveness standpoint Win 2000 (and up to Windows Server 2003 by ext…

Out of curiosity, are there any good comparisons in-detail between Windows 2000 and present-day Linux?

I do have the same feeling that Windows 2000 was in many regards the best UI (tied with 7 maybe), but after switching to Linux I'm wondering if this is maybe more rose-colored glasses than I thought.

KDE or XFCE seem to mimic the Windows 2000 design in many ways, but they are still far away from feeling as snappy or as well-thought out than Windows 2000 did. They also paradoxically feel more "gray" than I remember Windows, even though the "grayness" of Windows from that era is sort of famous.

So I'd like to know if this is really just nostalgia/muscle memory or if there are really specific things that KDE does worse than Windows did.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

theanonymousone wrote: post #59

Sorry for being (slightly?) off-topic: Is there a decent way to buy this LTSC edition of Windows?

> Is there a decent way to buy this LTSC edition of Windows?

If you are a student or work at a supported educational institution: I think Windows 11 Education is to my knowledge basically identical to Windows 11 Enterprise (at least for Windows 10, this was the case). In these versions, you can use LTSC updates if you want.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by RetroTechie »

abanana wrote: post #41
bambax wrote: post #7

At work I am made to use Windows 11 and I hate it immensely. Everything's so slow. Nothing operates properly. In addition to forced reboots which are annoying as hell, it also reboots after some time on sleep, for no reason whatsoever. Copilot is everywhere and cannot be truly disabled without admin rights. While not strictly a Windows issue, Outlook is an incredible piece of garbage. It doesn't know if it's running…

> I still use an old PC on Win7 as my primary machine So do I. I've had to deal with 10 and 11 at work and had the same sort of problems, so I've refused to "downgrade" this PC. It particularly used to really piss me off that when I was partway through working on something and had several applications open, with data loaded, that if I tried to leave it like that overnight so I'd be able to continue immediately the ne…

> It particularly used to really piss me off that when I was partway through working on something and had several applications open, with data loaded, that if I tried to leave it like that overnight so I'd be able to continue immediately the next morning, chances are Windows would decide to update and reboot, closing everything.

Whenever I use a recent(ish) Windows (rarely :-), it's annoyances like this that make for a poor UX. Again & again.

When you put a computer to sleep/hibernate, you expect it to come out of sleep in a similar state as before. When you select "shut down", you expect that. Not "installing update 1..20, then shut down".

It keeps amazing me that within Microsoft, after having done so many OSes used by millions, some eggheads think that breaking user expectations is a good design decision. It is not.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by lachiflippi »

ch_123 wrote: post #51
irishcoffee wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait a sec. Windows 2000 was probably their best operating system. Windows ME was absolutely their worst. They were so different I’m not sure the entire company wasn’t swapped into the set of Severance (tv show) or something of that ilk.

They were developed by completely different teams. As an aside - as someone who used ME back in the day, I feel like I honestly had more problems with Vista. ME was a downgrade from 98SE for sure, but I don't remember it being the same level of performance and reliability degradation that I saw going from XP to Vista pre-SP2.

Vista was fine from the get-go if you had enough (>=4GB) RAM, which OEMs mostly didn't bother shipping.

My ME machine would reliably BSOD when I opened / closed the CD tray.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by drooopy »

ch_123 wrote: post #51
irishcoffee wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait a sec. Windows 2000 was probably their best operating system. Windows ME was absolutely their worst. They were so different I’m not sure the entire company wasn’t swapped into the set of Severance (tv show) or something of that ilk.

They were developed by completely different teams. As an aside - as someone who used ME back in the day, I feel like I honestly had more problems with Vista. ME was a downgrade from 98SE for sure, but I don't remember it being the same level of performance and reliability degradation that I saw going from XP to Vista pre-SP2.

Vista was an absolute dumpster fire but in no way compares to the awfulness of ME.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by networked »

izacus wrote: post #19
vintagedave wrote: post #2

I love this kind of thing but feel really worried when I can't see source.

I think you'll need to slowly make peace with the fact that people don't want their work stolen by AIs.

You don't need to make peace with it. You have no obligation to accept a greater risk of malware than before. If anything, you should be more cautious because AI helps attackers.

(We don't actually know if this has anything to do with AI training.)

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by skydhash »

gambiting wrote: post #23
bambax wrote: post #7

At work I am made to use Windows 11 and I hate it immensely. Everything's so slow. Nothing operates properly. In addition to forced reboots which are annoying as hell, it also reboots after some time on sleep, for no reason whatsoever. Copilot is everywhere and cannot be truly disabled without admin rights. While not strictly a Windows issue, Outlook is an incredible piece of garbage. It doesn't know if it's running…

Just to offer a counter point - I'm at Windows 11 Enterprise at work(as a game developer) and it just works . We don't have any copilot stuff because it has been disabled by corporate policy. I don't see any ads. The system is mega stable, for search I just use Everything, I don't have any issues with Explorer really, other than the stupid change of copy/paste into icons, which I've undone with one powershell command…

That basically means resetting the annoyance back to win7 level. And yeah, it’s a great OS if you can do that. Just like linux is great if your hardware is supported or macOS was great before catalina.

Re: Classic 7 is a Windows 10 LTSC mod to look 1:1 to Windows 7

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Post by ramgine »

RetroTechie wrote: post #74
abanana wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still use an old PC on Win7 as my primary machine So do I. I've had to deal with 10 and 11 at work and had the same sort of problems, so I've refused to "downgrade" this PC. It particularly used to really piss me off that when I was partway through working on something and had several applications open, with data loaded, that if I tried to leave it like that overnight so I'd be able to continue immediately the ne…

> It particularly used to really piss me off that when I was partway through working on something and had several applications open, with data loaded, that if I tried to leave it like that overnight so I'd be able to continue immediately the next morning, chances are Windows would decide to update and reboot, closing everything. Whenever I use a recent(ish) Windows (rarely :-), it's annoyances like this that make for…

And even then “Shut down” didn’t actually shut down when there were updates. It was “install updates and reboot”
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