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Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by dusanstanojevic »

prabhatsharma wrote: post #32

You should take a look at https://github.com/openobserve/openobserve - Extremely performant and simple full-stack observability solution.

Creator of Traceway here. Sorry for not responding sooner, didn't realize this HN post existed.

I saw it recently, I think it looks amazing, I haven't looked into it enough to know of any downsides. I am currently heads down in building as I have the roadmap cut out for the next few months, I will circle back to them as soon as I have a bit more time.

If you're familiar with their platform feel free to checkout Traceway and let me know if there are any incredible features you'd like to see in Traceway or anything they're missing. I am always looking for feedback!

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by neya »

sexylinux wrote: post #12
neya wrote: post #10

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Here's something better than that: https://github.com/plausible/analytics Elixir.

Why is it better? On the internet it is not enough to just say something. You need to deliver some facts and / or a comparison. Please try it.

Nope. On the internet, I don't owe anyone anything, especially to someone who created a new account just to argue. Do your own research. And using your real account will elicit better quality responses. Please try it.

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by neya »

ddux1389 wrote: post #52
neya wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's something better than that: https://github.com/plausible/analytics Elixir.

I'm the main contributor to Traceway, I LOVE Elixir! Traceway is strictly for monitoring your app, not the actual usage/product analytics. It's for making sure you know how well your backend is performing and to be able to quickly fix issues that show up.

Hey, thanks for responding! I was just pointing out to the parent comment that going by a programming language to judge app quality is a very relative metric, so I just used Elixir to help them understand. Thanks again for your hard work on the project!

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by valyala »

NortySpock wrote: post #54
parliament32 wrote: post #45

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Note Clickhouse is quite old (2010ish?) but they've always been a "web server access log analytics" solution. The pivot to "we do observability too" is new, we'll see how that plays out. Not terribly optimistic given how badly a similar pivot went for Elastic, but who knows.

I thought observability was shoved on Clickhouse by other stacks deciding to use Clickhouse as their recommended database for observability (SigNoz springs to mind but they were not the only one)

VictoriaMetrics CTO here.

We at VictoriaMetrics took another approach. We tried using ClickHouse as a database for metrics in 2017, but then decided implementing a specialized database for metrics. This database uses ClickHouse architecture ideas for achieving the best performance and the lowest resource usage. The main difference between ClickHouse and VictoriaMetrics is that VictoriaMetrics is optimized solely for typical observability tasks. It supports all the popular data ingestion protocols, it provides promql-compatible querying API, it provides Graphite-compatible querying API, it provides Prometheus-compatible service discovery and relabeling, it provides Prometheus-compatible alerting and recording rules. It provides built-in web UI for quick exploration and analysis of the ingested metrics, with the ability to investigate the source of high cardinality. It consists of a single small executable (~20MB) without external dependencies with minimum configs and minimum maintenance. See https://altinity.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/How-ClickHou... for more details.

We used the same approach for building VictoriaLogs - a specialized database for logs. It uses the most appropriate architecture ideas from ClickHouse for achieving high performance and low resource usage. It is schemaless and zero-config. It contains of a single small executable without external dependencies. It accepts logs via popular data ingestion protocols. It provides a specialized query language for typical queries over production logs - LogsQL. This language is much simpler to use than SQL for querying typical logs. It provides a built-in web UI for quick exploration of the ingested logs. It provides a Grafana plugin for building arbitrary complex dashboards from the stored logs. It provides the ability to build alerts and metrics from the stored logs. See https://docs.victoriametrics.com/victorialogs/faq/#what-is-t...

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

embedding-shape wrote: post #64
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #59

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FWIW, if you come flying in saying you used NixOS to set something up you’re not what we would call a “casual user”

Why not? Hardly unheard of for managing infrastructure. If we were talking about desktop environments, then maybe, and to be fair, I never said I was a casual user, just that I didn't find prometheus particularly difficult to manage in a production environment .

The implication is that by virtue of using NixOS, you're already a self selected power user. The people that would find setting this thing up in production difficult and the people who would use NixOS are a very small overlap, if any, on that venn diagram.

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by embedding-shape »

SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #76
embedding-shape wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Hardly unheard of for managing infrastructure. If we were talking about desktop environments, then maybe, and to be fair, I never said I was a casual user, just that I didn't find prometheus particularly difficult to manage in a production environment .

The implication is that by virtue of using NixOS, you're already a self selected power user. The people that would find setting this thing up in production difficult and the people who would use NixOS are a very small overlap, if any, on that venn diagram.

NixOS is an additional thing on top of prometheus, not a replacement. Not sure why it'd dictate how easy/hard it is to run prometheus & co, you still have to know the same stuff as without it.

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by dusanstanojevic »

valyala wrote: post #75
NortySpock wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought observability was shoved on Clickhouse by other stacks deciding to use Clickhouse as their recommended database for observability (SigNoz springs to mind but they were not the only one)

VictoriaMetrics CTO here. We at VictoriaMetrics took another approach. We tried using ClickHouse as a database for metrics in 2017, but then decided implementing a specialized database for metrics. This database uses ClickHouse architecture ideas for achieving the best performance and the lowest resource usage. The main difference between ClickHouse and VictoriaMetrics is that VictoriaMetrics is optimized solely for…

This is refreshing to see, an actual comment about VictoriaMetrics that explains why and when it's good. Thank you!

I am the creator of Traceway, after reading that I think we're in adjacent vertices.

Traceway is aimed at providing teams with no dedicated SREs with preconfigured SLOs, a preconfigured dashboard and a really powerful exception tracking. It integrates with git to automatically open issues as well as slack and others. The idea is to get the experience of Datadog/Sentry in the open source space.

I've focused a lot on session replays, RUM and now symbolication for native, flutter and frontend applications - this might be a potential place where VictoriaMetrics could benefit from integrating with Traceway.

If any of that sounds potentially interesting let me know. Again, thank you for your comment.

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by dusanstanojevic »

oulipo2 wrote: post #8

There's a few contenders in self-hostable otel: - ClickStack (ex HyperDX) - SigNoz - Traceway - a few more does someone has enough feedback on those to be able to tell which one works best?

Hi, creator of Traceway here.

I have not used SigNoz or ClickStack. I believe both are very good products that focus on slightly different things.

With Traceway I am trying to focus on providing a pre configured system that works out of the box, tells you whats wrong and what to fix. It comes with a great issue tracker, session replays/RUM, preconfigured Dashboards and it's easy to host. It has an alerting integrations with Slack and Github. The idea is to be proactive rather than reactive when you start growing, so rather than waiting for a failure to build out an SLO it comes with them included.

Based on what you're looking for Traceway may or may not be the best option for you, but all feedback is welcome and I am working on improving it every day. You can checkout the github + it's super easy to self host and I am always down to chat about how it works in the Traceway Discord.

Re: Traceway: MIT-licensed observability stack you can self-host in ~90s

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Post by dusanstanojevic »

blazarquasar wrote: post #72

Given the heavy LLM usage, i’d probably be a little concerned about the project’s longevity. I personally also can’t stand seeing that typeface on websites anymore…

I really did not plan on this to be on HN yet. I think you have a great point and that with all of the projects popping up people should be skeptical of trying things.

Trust is hard to earn and that is why everything I have done with Traceway has been and will continue to be open source. Traceway cloud currently has 3 enterprise customers that are using it and about 50 on lower tier plans. It's an actual live product.

The marketing website has been fully vibe coded, I have too much on my plate right now and I'm not great at designing marketing pages. At some point I'm planing to rewrite it, it has been what most people have complained about, I just have too many things that I need to finish first in the actual product.

I use claude code periodically, other than telling you to checkout my git commit history for the last 10 years there is not much more I can do. The amount of commits this year has not been any greater than before. I don't think I'm pushing on getting things out too quickly or with lower quality.

If you want to read an engineering article I've written recently to see how I approach things here is one I am proud of: https://medium.com/@dusan.stanojevic.cs/flutter-session-repl...

Other than that I just have to continue building, there is nothing else I can do, but I understand where you're coming from and I think that your concern is absolutely valid.

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