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Re: GitHub is sinking

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Everyone wants to pin this on the Microsoft acquisition or incompetence but it seems pretty clear to me from the material GitHub has posted that AI has 10xed the amount of code being committed to GH, which has downstream effects everywhere - CI, Actions, code ingestion, everywhere. The author pins it on weird things like MS Copilot, which kind of feels like he’s listing off things he doesn’t like rather than casual f…

I like to think that Microsoft is trying to run GitHub in Windows in their Azure cloud. And on the fact that every time GitHub is down I think of "someone updated the Windows Servers GH runs on and had to reboot everything". While I'm 99% sure it is not true, it makes me sleep better at night. And giggle a little when it goes down.

They definitely do something with Azure. Stuff related to GitHub action runs hosted on something.windows.net, which I believe is azure.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#72

I installed forgejo on my home server and never looked back. The only problem I face is when hosting an app on DigitalOcean App platform, or vercel etc. They only connect to GitHub.

All of the reasons to avoid GitHub are also reasons to avoid the Digital Ocean App platform and Vercel. I use Digital Ocean, but just the VPSs. Don't let yourself get vendor locked in with these middle men, retain control and shoot for the most universal level of the stack you can.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#73
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the underlying infra is not a single server, so this is mostly a period where they have to adapt to higher loads due to AI becoming actually useable in the last 8 months. It's basically proof how well AI works these days. Give it a few months so they can scale and it'll get better. Remember Twitter fail whale? Growth pains that can and will be solved.

> It's basically proof how well AI works these days. Give it a few months so they can scale and it'll get better. Remember Twitter fail whale? Growth pains that can and will be solved. GitHub's problems can technically be solved, but that doesn't mean they can be solved in a way where the economics still work out. If AI use is 10x-ing the amount of infrastructure costs for GitHub but not 10x-ing the amount of money M…

Yah, the monitization bit is challanging. I'll ask my agent to click some of the ads GitHub serves it ;-)

But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. GitHub puts microsoft in a good position to experiment and learn how to optimize GitHub (enterprise) for the future.

Nate b Jones on youtube, https://youtu.be/FDkvRl1RlT0?si=AEYlUchm_oalMSzf, argues that Atlassian might be an interesting acquisition for Anthropic, as it provide most of the context AI at enterprises need. When executed well, GitHub enterprise, can offer microsoft the same value: the context AI needs in the future.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#74

I installed forgejo on my home server and never looked back. The only problem I face is when hosting an app on DigitalOcean App platform, or vercel etc. They only connect to GitHub.

Similar situation with Apple's Xcode Cloud.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#75

I installed forgejo on my home server and never looked back. The only problem I face is when hosting an app on DigitalOcean App platform, or vercel etc. They only connect to GitHub.

All of the reasons to avoid GitHub are also reasons to avoid the Digital Ocean App platform and Vercel. I use Digital Ocean, but just the VPSs. Don't let yourself get vendor locked in with these middle men, retain control and shoot for the most universal level of the stack you can.

It's just a step. I will eventually move to coolify, just haven't had time to set it up. But the problem stands: coolify also doesn't connect to forgejo.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#76
post #74

I installed forgejo on my home server and never looked back. The only problem I face is when hosting an app on DigitalOcean App platform, or vercel etc. They only connect to GitHub.

Similar situation with Apple's Xcode Cloud.

Have never developed on/for apple platform, so I have no clue. Apple makes setting up development so hard, I wonder what motivates developers to jump through all the hoops.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#78
post #8

Everyone wants to pin this on the Microsoft acquisition or incompetence but it seems pretty clear to me from the material GitHub has posted that AI has 10xed the amount of code being committed to GH, which has downstream effects everywhere - CI, Actions, code ingestion, everywhere. The author pins it on weird things like MS Copilot, which kind of feels like he’s listing off things he doesn’t like rather than casual f…

The graph in TFA shows the downtime pattern starting in January 2020. OpenAI released GPT-3.5 in November 2022 (basically December), and LLM/agentic coding didn’t really kick off in the way you’re describing until 2024, but really in 2025. How can that explain the terrible uptime for the ~4 years post acquisition before all the AI stuff you’re talking about started?

The graph is not accurate, because GitHub's historical downtime data is not accurate.

For example, here is a Hacker News story about GitHub being down on July 28th 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12178449

Here's GitHub's historical uptime graph (on which this chart is based), saying there was no recorded downtime that day, or in fact that entire month: https://www.githubstatus.com/uptime?page=40

Re: GitHub is sinking

#79
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar situation with Apple's Xcode Cloud.

Have never developed on/for apple platform, so I have no clue. Apple makes setting up development so hard, I wonder what motivates developers to jump through all the hoops.

> Apple makes setting up development so hard, I wonder what motivates developers to jump through all the hoops.

Money to be made. And they have (had) nice API for most development needs. The actual distribution is a arduous though, mostly around the Review process.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#80
I would not be surprised if AI commits are the culprit. There is no way any service would cope with a constant stream of unfettered commits by sleepless always-on agents. Ironically, this same strategy seems to be what GH/MS (and other big companies) are evangelizing - and therefore dying by their own hand (in a way).
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