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US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many of those are second passports for the benefit of people who wish to visit Israel without the added friction that Israeli stamps in their primary passport would bring? Also, EU citizens do not require a passport to travel within the EU; by law, their national ID card suffices, thus making passports unnecessary for much of their travel.
Israel doesn't stamp your passport if you ask.
They haven’t stamped passports at TLV for about a decade. My last Israel in my “dirty” passport was at Erez coming out of Gaza.
Very few people have two passports nowadays.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never understood this line of logic: - X doesn't pay child support because X lost their job. - X gets their driver's license revoked because they missed child support payments. So ... how are you supposed to find a new job with out a car in most U.S. communities? This doesn't improve the situation for anyone involved, but allows the state to make it much, much worse.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's possible this might have a significant (not small, not necessarily large) impact on the smaller subset of delinquent parents that might currently have a larger double digit percentage (30% say) skipping to Canada, Mexico, or elsewhere to avoid being chased down. Or not. The main point here is that it's not the entire population of regular US citizens that should be looked at here, more the specific behaviour of…
The constitution (article 11) of Mexico provides an explicit right of every person to enter Mexico without a passport (that doesn't mean every person in general -- you can be barred -- but not because you don't have a passport). You can witness this at land border crossings -- I routinely watch them let in foreigners without them (they're not following whatever uncited nonsense you read at the consulate wrongly claim…
Interesting, never knew that.
As an aside I've been in and out of Mexico a bunch of times (formerly entered, 5 or 6 times; crossed the border, literally a hundred+ times) - but as an Australian geophysical exploration surveyor on the job it's always been via other people dealing with all the paperwork.
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#75I've been told that American's have a very low rate of passport issuance. I don't know if that's true, but the figure quoted was only 10% of adults hold passports. Is this a really effective way to get people to pay for their kids, or just the appearance of doing something to quiet the voters?
In addition, while there's a significant number of deadbeat dads, there's also a significant number in debtor's prison for not paying sufficient child support because they can't they don't have any money. It's a practice from medieval Europe that's been banned there but is still used in the US.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Turns out Mexico doesn't legally require a passport for entry This isn't true. See e.g. https://consulmex.sre.gob.mx/washington/index.php/ligavisos/... : > "All foreigners, regardless of their nationality, are required to present a valid and not expired passport or travel document when entering Mexico (traveling by air, land or sea)." What you may have observed is Mexican border control at a small crossing may not…
Article 11 [Mexican Constitution] Every person has the right to enter and leave the country, to travel through its territory and to move house without the necessity of a letter of safe passage, passport, safe-conduct or any other similar requirement. In the event of criminal or civil liability, the exercise of this right shall be subject to the judicial authority. Relating to limitations imposed by the laws on immigr…
> none of the consulate advice is able to cite where this supposed "requirement" comes from.
It comes from Mexico's immigration law, Ley de Migración: https://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/LMigra.pdf
Here are a couple of relevant sections, from pages 16 and 15 of the above document, respectively:
For foreigners to Mexico:
Article 37. To enter the country, foreigners must:
I. Present the following documents at the immigration inspection checkpoint before the Institute:
a) A passport or identity and travel document that is valid in accordance with applicable international law; and
b) When so required, a validly issued and current visa, pursuant to Article 40 of this Law; or
c) A residence card or authorization for the immigration status of regional visitor, border worker visitor, or visitor for humanitarian reasons.
Article 36. Mexicans may not be deprived of the right to enter national territory. To this end, they must prove their nationality, in addition to complying with the other requirements established in this Law, its Regulations, and other applicable legal provisions.
Mexicans shall prove their nationality using one of the following documents:
I. Passport;
II. Citizen Identity Card, Personal Identity Card, or its equivalent;
III. Certified copy of a Birth Certificate;
IV. Consular Registration Card;
V. Letter of Naturalization; or
VI. Certificate of Mexican Nationality.
The point is, that's what the prevailing law says, and that's what's generally practiced at borders, consulates, and embassies.
> The consulate either was mistaken or wrote that because it will really suck to leave the country without it and they don't want to deal with the fallout.
Ah yes, I'm sure the entire legal apparatus of the country of Mexico is just winging it, whereas you, noble HN commenter, have sussed out the true facts. Or perhaps you just heard and believed a story from some rando at a border crossing.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
The constitution (article 11) of Mexico provides an explicit right of every person to enter Mexico without a passport (that doesn't mean every person in general -- you can be barred -- but not because you don't have a passport). You can witness this at land border crossings -- I routinely watch them let in foreigners without them (they're not following whatever uncited nonsense you read at the consulate wrongly claim…
Interesting, never knew that. As an aside I've been in and out of Mexico a bunch of times (formerly entered, 5 or 6 times; crossed the border, literally a hundred+ times) - but as an Australian geophysical exploration surveyor on the job it's always been via other people dealing with all the paperwork.
You never knew that because most of it is false. The constitutional point they mentioned has a big exception for the needs of administration, and Mexico’s immigration law uses that to require passports from all foreign nationals entering Mexico. This has been upheld by Mexico’s Supreme Court.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting, never knew that. As an aside I've been in and out of Mexico a bunch of times (formerly entered, 5 or 6 times; crossed the border, literally a hundred+ times) - but as an Australian geophysical exploration surveyor on the job it's always been via other people dealing with all the paperwork.
You never knew that because most of it is false. The constitutional point they mentioned has a big exception for the needs of administration, and Mexico’s immigration law uses that to require passports from all foreign nationals entering Mexico. This has been upheld by Mexico’s Supreme Court.
Good to know.
I did my best to avoid all customs issues as I worked with a crew in and out of a lot countries for mapping and exploration and a lot of special exceptional visa work for the professional lawyer and government minister whisperer class.
Air geophysical survey grids 80m above ground level with 200m line spacing can have aircraft running lines backwards and forwards over a border for a couple of days.
Re: US will start revoking passports for parents who owe child support
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
You never knew that because most of it is false. The constitutional point they mentioned has a big exception for the needs of administration, and Mexico’s immigration law uses that to require passports from all foreign nationals entering Mexico. This has been upheld by Mexico’s Supreme Court.
Good to know. I did my best to avoid all customs issues as I worked with a crew in and out of a lot countries for mapping and exploration and a lot of special exceptional visa work for the professional lawyer and government minister whisperer class. Air geophysical survey grids 80m above ground level with 200m line spacing can have aircraft running lines backwards and forwards over a border for a couple of days.
The constitutional challenge they speak of was a constitutional challenge by indigenous persons challenging internal immigration checkpoints. And the indigenous won, actually loosening immigration checks, so it's baffling they cited that. The ABA international even did a review of that case and the only relevant portions they mentioned were the loosening of internal immigration checkpoints.
>and Mexico’s immigration law uses that to require passports from all foreign nationals entering Mexico.
LMAO, this person must have never entered Mexico by land. You literally walk right in, 9 of 10 times. The last time I went even the X-ray machine guy was asleep. They're clearly following the constitution and not whatever hallucinated conclusion there was about the challenge by indigenous that loosened restrictions.
One time I showed my passport card, and they thought it was a driver license, lmao. Not that they gave a shit either way.