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AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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> In advertising and marketing, WPP used AlphaEvolve to refine AI model components, navigating complex, high-dimensional campaign data and achieving 10% accuracy gains over their competitive manual model optimizations.

Ah good, we're getting closer and closer to Venus, Inc. every day. /s

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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AI improving itself (or at least the architecture it runs on), the singularity is near as they say. Do we have other examples of AI being used to improve the LLMs, apart for the creation of synthetic data and the testing of the models?

There is an apples and oranges difference between AI improving itself (becoming more capable) and AI optimizing software that happens to be used for AI training or inference.

A more efficient transformer just costs less to run.

"AI improving AI" would be if one generation of AI designed a next-gen AI that was fundamentally more capable (not just faster/cheaper) than itself. A reptilian brain that could autonomously design a mammalian brain.

Even when hooked up into a smart harness like AlphaEvolve, I don't think LLMs have the creativity to do this, unless the next-gen architecture is hiding in plain sight as an assemblage of parts than an LLM can be coaxed into predicting.

More likely it'll take a few more steps of human innovation, steps towards AGI, before we have an AI capable of autonomous innovation rather than just prompted mashup generation.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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This reminds me of Antirez's "Don't fall into the anti-AI hype" [0] In a sentence: These foundation models are really good at optimizing these extremely high level, extremely well defined problem spaces (ie multiply matrices faster). In Antirez's case, it's "make Redis faster". There have been two reactions: "Oh it would never work for me" and "I have seen months of my life accomplished in an hour", and I think they'…

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Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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AI improving itself (or at least the architecture it runs on), the singularity is near as they say. Do we have other examples of AI being used to improve the LLMs, apart for the creation of synthetic data and the testing of the models?

Shameless plug: https://huggingface.co/spaces/smolagents/ml-intern It’s a simple harness around Opus, but with tight integration to Hugging Face infra, so the agent can read papers, test code and launch experiments

What are the benchmarks for this, in terms of costs of computation and error; cost to converge?

Re: hyperparameter tuning and autoresearch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47444581

Parameter-free LLMs would be cool

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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This reminds me of Antirez's "Don't fall into the anti-AI hype" [0] In a sentence: These foundation models are really good at optimizing these extremely high level, extremely well defined problem spaces (ie multiply matrices faster). In Antirez's case, it's "make Redis faster". There have been two reactions: "Oh it would never work for me" and "I have seen months of my life accomplished in an hour", and I think they'…

>I think the rest of us should rest easy knowing that LLM's can't (and maybe were never meant to) tackle the tacit-knowledge-filled, human-system-centric, ambiguously-defined-problem-space jobs most mortals work I don't believe that anymore, to be honest. Models are starting to get good at ambiguity. Claude Code now asks me when something is ambiguous. Soon, all meetings will be recorded, transcribed and stored in a…

Unfortunately you can't record meetings in many jurisdictions, including court sessions. Hence we have to rely - for worse, or perhaps even for better - on human driven note taking.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the rest of us should rest easy knowing that LLM's can't (and maybe were never meant to) tackle the tacit-knowledge-filled, human-system-centric, ambiguously-defined-problem-space jobs most mortals work I don't believe that anymore, to be honest. Models are starting to get good at ambiguity. Claude Code now asks me when something is ambiguous. Soon, all meetings will be recorded, transcribed and stored in a…

So self chosen total surveillance and transparency so your fav LLM can be better?

Could always use a local LLM for stuff like that. One of my relatives works for one of the big audit firms and that's what they do.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advanced Machine Intelligence (AMI), a new Paris-based startup cofounded by Meta’s former chief AI scientist Yann LeCun, announced Monday it has raised more than $1 billion to develop AI world models. LeCun argues that most human reasoning is grounded in the physical world, not language, and that AI world models are necessary to develop true human-level intelligence. “The idea that you’re going to extend the capabili…

Now check how much OpenAI got in their last funding round, and you have your answer.

I don't think it's valid to draw broad conclusions from the funding of a new company vs. an industry leader. If AMI builds something that looks impressive considering the funding they got, then they'll get plenty more in the next round.

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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I would be interested to see how exactly the agent helped. How was it used, where did it lead to the given improvement and in how far would it have taken a human to come to the same solution.

seems like `karpathy/autoresearch` on steroids

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not both? You don’t need 1trillion allocated before you have a proof of concept to demonstrate your non-LLM model, and once you have a PoC you will definitely have the larger investors interested

You will need 100s of billions to make a viable POC.

For a PoC? That sounds very unlikely. I think you’re off by at least 2–3 orders of magnitude

Re: AlphaEvolve: Gemini-powered coding agent scaling impact across fields

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This reminds me of Antirez's "Don't fall into the anti-AI hype" [0] In a sentence: These foundation models are really good at optimizing these extremely high level, extremely well defined problem spaces (ie multiply matrices faster). In Antirez's case, it's "make Redis faster". There have been two reactions: "Oh it would never work for me" and "I have seen months of my life accomplished in an hour", and I think they'…

I have found Claude et al good at quickly implementing the algorithm I have in mind effectively, as long as I ask lots of control questions and check code. They aren’t good at inventing non-mainstream algorithms though and often slip staggeringly short term shortcuts in though. They are still a tool and not yet the craftsman who wields tools effectively. This will steadily change, and the corners where the obscure algorithm wins will erode further too.
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